• Disgusting state of affairs • We’ve been had • It’s a disgrace • The two muppets • A Dyer state of affairs • Horrible thought • Glass half empty or half full • Paddy Kenny talks stalled • Prepare for life without Taarabt Thread after thread after thread of absolute doom and gloom based mainly on price hikes and lack of investment - and all the above titles came in the days following the Bothroyd and Dyer signings. No wonder the likes of mango, WBA2, Willy, Twins, Franckster and others have been cautioning us to lighten-up. They’re right of course. Football’s supposed to be leisure: that other part of our lives that relieves the stresses of work or the lack of, family, illness and so on. Yet, here we are moaning and groaning, whinging and whining as if we’d been relegated and the club was falling apart. But then again, being a fan of a newly promoted, Championship-winning club hasn’t exactly been a bed of roses has it? We’re forced to sit and watch as our opponents in the coming season are quietly going about the business of strengthening their squads, most of which are already proven Premiership survivors. At the same time Norwich and Swansea, our fellow promotees (if that’s a word), have been able to enjoy all the celebrations and preps for the new campaign we Rs fans had every reason to expect for ourselves. Best of luck to both clubs, they richly deserve their successes. Two very good managers and given their relatively meagre resources, supported by two very good boards. Everyone it seems, knows QPR for its billionaire owners. What outsiders don’t readily grasp is the stinginess of these people… much less their lack of care and cynical disregard for the club and it’s supporters. Here we are, successful manager and squad in place, just needing a bit of a revamp to give the Boltons and Wigans something to chew on, and what do we get? Nout - but the worst of news as a reg. The fact is we fans look to our football for the odd buzz here and there in our otherwise sad little lives. When that sours to constant misery (and nothing really to do with what the media’s reporting), there’s something badly wrong with the entertainment side of the business. Fans absorb all this and have a right to express their feelings. No better place to do that that a message board like this to try to exorcise the demons that have invaded our souls. Like everyone else I come on here in the hope that something good might have happened, only to be met with more misery from the club and/or posters on here. For the reasons above, I make a choice. Put up, shut up or close down and get on with something else. I often choose to tolerate a pretty ****ty mood, read on and maybe put my tuppence ha’pennies worth in where I agree or think I have something to add. The fact is, I know where that mood is coming from - and it certainly ain’t the Rangers fans. Having said this, I do enjoy the different perspectives and styles of expression, particularly WBA2 (wubba)’s wildly optimistic contributions (washed down with his fancy-Dan beverages!). For his part, Willy really had me thinking we were virtually prem-ready with his player-by-player analysis the other week. Thanks again Willy, perked me up a bit for awhile there. All good, but for me facts are facts and facts are always more apparent in the actions or inactions of the ‘club’ than in fantasy or media speculation: in what’s actually happening as opposed to what some hack invents in the cause of much needed copy. However, I am concerned at the rumblings of late that suggest a moan and groan about the owners or an expression of disappointment with a signing is in someway unacceptable. I think both are natural conversation for football fans and the whole point of fans’ forums like not606 is in offering a place to share them with others with similar interests. When we’re up we're up and when we’re down we’re down - and in both cases we should be free to write something about our thoughts and feelings. After all, no one begrudges us the right to sing when we’re winning! What do you think? Should posters say what’s on their mind or self-censor and keep their ‘negative’ feelings to themselves?
If you support QPR then nothing is ever straightforward, the soap opera that is Loftus Road has been running for yonks and the titles of threads you quote are part and parcel of the saga. Where else would you have billionaire owners not taking the opportunity to realise our fantasies with what, to them, is pocket money? The reason is because the football side of the equation is not THEIR fantasy, money is their world and Bernie has been quoted as saying you spend as little as possible to turn a profit. The fans on here all subscribe to this forum because, unlike the owners, we care passionately about OUR club and the doom and gloom you mention is the inevitable result of their parsimonious attitude. For a couple of days it was almost party time with the announcement of two signings which cost the skinflints zero in fees. The subsequent revelation that there is no transfer kitty has pretty well turned the optimism into a wake. Everyone of us wears our heart on our sleeves and that's why we keep coming back for more, even the doom and gloom. Glass half empty at the moment but a surprise signing would make it seem infinitely more full...
Brixton I know what you're saying, & believe me, I'm normally an optimistic, positive type of person. But you have to agree that it's becoming increasingly difficult to remain positive with all the shenanigans (not easy to spell that!) surrounding the club. It looks as though everything is having to be done on the cheap, yet ticket prices are far from that! One thing I cannot abide, & I'm sure the same goes for most people, is having the piss taken out of me! I'll put up with most things, but that's one I draw a line at. And that's what the club is doing to us, taking the piss! As for disappointments over signings, I don't think any of us expected to go out & spend £15-20 million on one player. Bothroyd in my opinion is a great signing, but he's not going to be able to do it on his own. But that's it so far, we need 5 or 6, not one. I know there's plenty of time left, but if the signing of Dyer is anything to go by, then I'm not holding my breath! Right, back to your question. This forum is for supporters of our beloved club, & I know we are all as passionate as one another, to air our views whether they be positive, negative, or anywhere in between. At the end of the day, if anyone doesn't like a thread, then they don't have to respond to it.
Firstly BrixtonR you can speak for yourself about having a sad little life!!! and secondly, I will agree to disagree mate with your post...Yeah I agree that messrs Ecclestone and Briatore have no intention to spend big! everyone seems to think that just because their loaded they are gonna spunk all their dosh (which took them a life time to accumulate) on little ole QPR, no chance. they are businessmen and QPR are a going concern...Why buy something for £500 when in their eyes it's only worth £50? Do you think the Mittals would be any different? I don't. The R's must be running at a loss every week and getting back to the Premier and staying there cost money. Having said that I still think and know that by the time the R's line up against Bolton we'll have a least 5 new signings...DJ would be on board by now if it weren't for his greedy agent or so called advisers, as I said, just because their loaded!!! so to your Question It's a free world and we're all entitled to our own opinions
What do you think? Should posters say what’s on their mind or self-censor and keep their ‘negative’ feelings to themselves? =================================================== In answer to that, say what's on your mind it's what a MB is for, if anyone doesn't want to see someone's opinion, press the ignore button on them, but it doesn't work on me!
Moaning and groaning ok or not??????? erm... optimism ok or not!!!!!.......realism ok or not? Not quite sure what to make of that post Brixton, but having said that, i feel this site is for free speach and as someone said above, if you dont like it, dont read it or more to the point, dont post about it! Football is all about opinions, i work in the industry and my opinion differs from that of other coaches i work with, thats the game i suppose.
Said it before, but no one is really going to know where we stand until the end of the transfer window at the end of August. At the moment, the Goons are enjoying being the hard men and looking for a bargain. But if we're bottom of the table and the transfer window-end is a week off, that will test their resolve. Not because they give a flying f*ck about Rangers, simply because the capital value of their asset will be depreciating.
GOOD Read! Yes, speak their minds always, that is what is being a fan of Rangers or any other club. Some times the top dogs who own our and their clubs listen! At the end of the day if the fans do not come to the games then there is no money, for them or any body else!
I don't think that anyone has actually said that all moaning and groaning is unacceptable ... but ... It seems to me that every time something is reported the same people come out screaming and shouting for the heads of Ecclestone and Briatore. The same names crop up time and time again. On another thread someone says that people should use their heads and see what is going on. Well, all I can see is that 95% of what is said is complete bull**** and spin, whether it be in the News of the World (RIP) of from the mouth of Neil Warnock. A story comes out and the doom and gloom brigade latch onto it straight away - draw conclusions that fit their point of view and start stamping their feet. A few days later the story is refuted or just quietly forgotten ... and the D&G brigade move onto another story. A "moan a groan" perfectly acceptable, but when it becomes like a broken record, when them same people can't wait to stick the knife in, it becomes tedious. Who is to say what is really going on? Certainly not me. There a core of people who "know" exactly what is going on. It suits them to believe everything they read (even though they know that 95% will be shown to be bullsh1t) and when the story isn't negative they manage to "read between the lines" and find something negative. I am quite surprised that for those who know exactly what Ecclestone and Briatore are doing in the boardroom don't know who the feck Kujabi is! I would have more empathy with your concern that "the rumblings of late that suggest a moan and groan about the owners or an expression of disappointment with a signing is in someway unacceptable" if whenever someone comes out with a perfectly reasonable different view of things, or is prepared to wait and see before starting to scream and shout, they are shot down by the doom and gloom brigade. It makes me wonder WHY these people don't want to see in anything other than a negative way. And no, I am not an Ecclestone/Briatore fan and I don't work for them. Briatore and Paladini have fecked up a good few things in the past and the rise in ticket prices is ill-judged and morally wrong. They might be assett stripping and running the club into the ground for all I know, but there are other scenarios/reasons why certain things appear to be happening. I don't know and neither does anyone else on here.
Well said, Hoops Eternal! A man of truth and passion! By the way my glass is nearly empty, anyone going up to the bar??
Why do we have to be told? If they are playing a game of brinkmanship with Mittal, of spinning "no money for transfers" to stop the rush of agents thinking that we are going to pay silly money for their players - why come out and tell everybody? If they cared about their PR they would have run away with their tales between their legs long ago. Why should they do what you want?
Moaning and groaning is ok. I have complained about it numerous times in the past, as well as being guilty of it, but everyone must be allowed to give their opinion. The solution is to try to start other threads, maybe not too topical, but with happier themes. That is the reason I chuck up the odd competition, or try off the wall themes. They don’t always work – I was very disappointed with my “Guilty Pleasure” thread, I did expect more response. I’ll try to think of a few more, trips down memory lane are always good, especially as most of us seem to be “mature”. Of course, you of all people wouldn’t want people to stop expressing their opinions, would you Brixton? As ever you are just trying to stimulate conversation – successfully as usual.
As ever, a thoroughly good read Brixton. And I agree that certain uber optimists like "Wubba" and Willy are great to read because they express themselves with a bit of wit and don't mind the slagging that inevitably comes their way. Eamon makes a fair point as to people that play the same tune again and again can become irritating. I've no doubt that I myself annoy people with my regular criticisms of the Club etc. However it must be pointed out that that goes the other way too. It also tends to be the same people again and again trying to make out that everything is Hunky Dory when the truth is obviously otherwise. That is equally annoying to those of us cynics. Overall, in answer to your question Brix, I think not only is it okay for people to moan and groan (or the opposite) but its essential that people speak their true mind. Its also helpful when fella's take criticism in good spirits which, to be fair, everyone on here seems to do.
I have just read the response from Eamon Holmes and think he is right in many ways, But the D&G boys are also right! I meet Ecclestone a long time ago when he gave the late Labour leader Blair over £1000000 for the party funds(?) with out blinking a eye lid! I did not like him then, he was very rude to people (not me) and thought then he was a undesirable That was long before he and his pal got involved with OUR beloved club QPR! I am going back about 12 or years or even more, so when I say he and his pals are not worthy of our time and thoughts then believe me. He and pals will walk away from OUR club when they have soaked the club dry. When I first started coming on way back in the BBC 606 days and when i heard that he was being asked by the Italian to come into the club, I thought that is it! I have not changed my mind and still stating the same message, PLEASE cheek back. So yes, I am full D&G, why should I not be after all the good and bad years I have had with MY beloved Rangers I have the RIGHT!|
Thanks for that Roller. Yep, just like you, Bill and now Willy manage with your polls and competitions, I do enjoy a stimulus here and there on the board. Northolt provides a lot with the articles and blogs he finds for us; and once in a while when nothing else is going on, I'm not averse to sticking something up for us to chew over.
So it's OK for them to treat us like **** then? I guess it'll have to be, but I don't have to like it! You can have good PR, without giving anything away, if they CARED to do so.
Because he's a customer Eamon. You don't have to be a 'fan' of a business to buy into it (altho' it does help at times) and surely it's incumbent upon you thereafter to promote it to your consumers, no?
As loyal supporters I would have thought that those putting money into the clubbuying over priced season tickets would be entitled to say what they think, the current owners clearly do not think anything of the supporters or the club. For heavens sake sake Bernie is a chelski fan & doesnt even stay beyond halftime and he doesnt go to away matches, *bet he goes to stamford bridge, though and maybe even old trafford). The supporters deserve to be heard, but Bernie and Flavio are not listening interested. Change of subject I wonder how many Norwich scarves will be be on display at old trafford this year?.
