Another interesting story http://i100.independent.co.uk/artic...-well-people-think-hes-admirable--bybGnUiV24l
It's not, it's going to be a disaster with the Tory media portraying him as some kind of joke Citizen Smith figure. I fear that it's going to be the end for Labour. I just hope he has a plan B. Maybe a General Strike. now that would liven things up a bit.
Stop going on like you've got a crystal ball. So what if the Tories do that? They're up to their eyeballs in lies to parliament a un investigation, many court cases against benefit cuts, disability discrimination dwp are commuting fraud in tribunals week in/out. There's plenty of ammo there and I just don't believe all this Bollocks being spouted, if you want to win a campaign concentrate on saying why YOU are the best candidate NOT by telling everyone else ABC that is exactly what has turned people off of politics for years now (proven many times in polls) esp PMQ which is like being at school and an embarrassment. As I said before maybe you're correct maybe you're not but stop insisting you're correct all the time & xx is set in stone if xx happens because you don't know. Fact is Labour FAILED to win this election by saying vote for us, we're not as **** as them. For tears they've been positioning themselves as "tory-lite" they've completely missed the point in the labour party was created for in the first place, abandoned it's grass roots and then wonder why people jumped ship. We need a true opposition party not a party that gangs up with the ****ing Tories to rape the poor, sick & disabled as all Labour MPs were told to do by Harman and the other 3 candidates either voted for or just abstained (which is even more cowardly). Whatever happens will happen as I said it will be interesting nonetheless. Let's not also forget the extra 190,000 people who have joined labour (and they gave been vetting people who are trying it on) fact is this has engaged the public in a way no one imagined it would, so we'll just have to wait & see what happens next. But I just wish the media and everyone else would stop saying the world will end if he gets voted in as leader, as I'm pretty sure it won't. I think labour have much much bigger chance of bottling the election under Burnham as he has no policies of his own and Cooper is intrinsically a Thatcher type. In fact I'd go so far as to say if the other 3 won that'll be the death of Labour because they are so closely aligned to tory policy it's beyond belief, yes Burnham has his whole railway thing he's stolen from Corbyn but the rest..... Only Corbyn wants to change labour from being a presidential style party to more grass roots ked, offers proper electoral reform especially the Lords which is beyond a farce along with social justice. Fact is we need to stop punishing the people at the bottom for the mistakes of those at the top. We bailed out banks £1.2TN where's the money? Why is it not being treated as a loan & paid back to us? Why are we selling the bank shares off at a huge loss? We all know the answer why this is the case I'm sure, fact is if banks were held to account this country wouldn't be in the state it us in. Right that's it, the final say I'm having on this thread. All this end of the labour party bullshit is boring. I've had my say you've had yours Obe of us might be right, we might both be wrong time will tell, until then I'm off See ya
We will just have to wait and see how it pans out then. It's pretty clear to me that Corbyn and his "ites" have a non-parliamentary strategy of confronting the Tories head on via direct action. I'm not actually against this if it works. I just wish that they would be honest about it.
Politics like many things is cyclycle and Labour going to the left is probably about due. The thing is as well is that all Governments become unpopular eventually and so it is only a matter of time before the country goes away from the Conservatives. The big question is, when the country goes leftwards, will it be as far as the Corbyn left or the LibDem left of centre (where Farron will move them). Generally Britain is a fairly centrist country and does not really entertain extemes.
Brilliant article http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/aug/19/jeremy-corbyn-coalition-labour
Ah, the good old Grauniad. Corbyn could have been invented as a composite representation of their readership. It's a re-invention of the old John Major "Spinsters cycling tro church through mist shrouded meadows". In this case "Sociology lecturers cycling to work through ethnically balanced urban streets". The trouble is Grauniad writers live in up market London suburbs where immigrants come and fit your Smallbone kitchens rather than compete for your minimum wage zero hours job. Those 400,000 extra "Supporters", even if we are being kind and discount the 50,000 who are undercover Tories represent 600 voters per constituency. My argument is with the statistics as much as anything. Most of that 600 will be too stoned to actually vote on election day. I know these people. 45 years ago I was one of them.
To be fair, the guardian have been fairly negative in their reporting of Corbyn for the most part. They've actually backed Yvette Cooper for the leadership.
I literally can't get my head around any of your views on this, Cruyff. Why are you trying to crush the spirit of change? Obviously you can think that Corbyn will be a disaster, but you come on here like you've already seen the future and we're all going to be plastic faced drones working for Cameron-bot 2000 because we had the audacity to hope that someone with a real message might make a difference in politics. I'd rather stick by my morales and vote for the nice guy than compromise who I am and vote for the less evil guy. You can call it naive but to me that's just because you've bought into the media propaganda that anything different from the status quo is dangerous.
When this thread started I never expected it to be still a hot topic months down the line but here we are and it has certainly caused some ruffled feathers along the way, it is heartening to see that we do care about our politics and can debate it with passion. I can honestly see where Cruyff is coming from and think he has been harshly treated ( no names) because he has the experience of having knocked on doors and while his crystal ball may be a little shadowy, his views are not without rationale. As I mentioned about 3 or 4 weeks ago, the one thing you can say about Corbyn is that he has lead the agenda and aroused the younger generation back to life. The problem he has in my opinion is how many of the youth are paying taxes and can cost out exactly what he is planning. When you start nationalising stuff, it is not just the cost but the ethos you are changing, i.e. removal of the stock market and private investment and that carries huge compansatory gestures and then undermines the privat business market going forward. That has to be a major concern and I would appreciate that point being countered by the Corbyn supporters.
I see there's now a huge number of people who have been party members for years who've had letters saying they're not being permitted to vote. It's being investigated now but Labour need to be VERY careful here otherwise it could end up looking rigged and I'm sure that will rip the party apart
If I can put it in a football context imagine if Delia sold to Vincent Tan and he brought in say Harry Redknapp as manager. If you had supported the team for forty years and you had seen what had happened at Cardiff and QPR you might feel slightly apprehensive. I think that the vast majority of the new supporters will defect to the pub when it comes to delivering 2000 leaflets in the rain and drizzle of an English winter. Our campaign was a rolling one not just before the election. And if you want to know what would happen if JC won the election read Chris Mullin's "A very British Coup". Chris is a long time left wing MP. As for getting slagged off, I don't care. I still maintain that to allow unlimited immigration would be a disaster with services such as healthy and education swamped by demand. I don't apologise for my views, many of which are actually "Old Labour". I think people should work for their living but they should be paid a decent rate and not exploited by the Tories vulpine school pals. It's not Blair who should end up behind bars but Cameron and Osborne. Giving away bank shares in exchange for party donations is straightforward fraud.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...een-barred-from-voting-in-purge-10464046.html Some very silly mistakes, I'd be interested to know if there's a theme, ie people who have outted themselves on social media of voting one way or another #paranoia lol
