Huh, what does that actually mean?And how exactly do the Tories appeal to the inspirations of the (average) workers of this country? And as for your first point, I'm not saying you're wrong in saying that people didn't trust labour, but in my opinion that's simply because *most people are ****ing stupid - don't trust labour but they can trust a party who has lied and reneged on so many of the things it said it was going to do, how does that work? What exactly were the good things that came out of those last five years? Genuine question, can you answer? * for the record I'm not saying this is everyone, and I'm not including you in this as you have already stated that you had your reasons for voting that way and that's fine, entirely your prerogative and whilst I don't agree myself, I fully respect that you weighed up the pros and cons and decided that a Tory government would be in the best interests of your personal situation, and that is how democracy should work so again that is entirely your right. It's more the people (sheep of you like) who don't challenge anything that they're spoonfed by the right wing media, the idiots who vote for Boris ****ing Johnson because "he's got nice hair" or those who are actually going to be far worse off under this lot but are too ****ing thick to realise.
Of course he meant aspirations, and in that he's quite correct. Although many of us profoundly disagree with the premise the "workers". (I use parentheises because we are not talking about boilermakers and wheeltappers any more) are in many cases aspirational. Logic tells us that for every ten who aspire to higher things maybe only one or two actually go on to better things, but they all believe that they will. I never did and that is why I got out as soon as I did and went into business. We really need to go back to the Neil Kionnock 1985 speech at the Labour conference when he laid into Militant and Derek Hatton, who incidentally claimed that homosexuality was a minor deviation that would disappear under Socialism. Kinnock said that telling people who owned their own houses and went abroad for their holidays to throw off their chains was unrealistic. Jeremy Corbyn still lives in that distant past that is indeed a foreign country. He rides a bike and expects others to. Quite simply they won't. They will stick with that dead end job and hope they get promotion., As unrealstic as their aspirations may be they still nurture them.
I don't think Corbyn expects others to ride a bike It is just easier for him and quite normal for him to do so living in N7. The other 3 candidates Cooper Burnham and Kendall are just bland Tory light alternatives . They don't talk about their own ideas they just attack Corbyn. Cruyf appears to be a new labour Tony Blaire supporter so on a different page to the people like me that wouldn't dream of voting for a fake grinning 33rd degree Mason war criminal.
Sorry, yes I did mean aspirations. I was drunk yesterday. If corbyn gets in the labour party will never attract voters from the working class aspirational families.
Interesting poll on the leadership http://news.sky.com/story/1536004/voters-more-likely-to-choose-corbyn-led-labour
WHAT? Why are you saying that? He wants to get rid of tuition fees, sort out a national education service. Aspirations start with education after all. Just because he backs the 50p tax rate? (that previous labour gov introduced & has huge public support). Burnham wants to create new taxes one of which Graduate tax, ffs. He will strongly oppose the welfare bill, so why didn't he vote against it then? Would that be because JC did and he's trying to steal some of his support? He already stole the nationalise the railways didn't he? Funny if you read his policies many are almost lifted from JC entirely so it makes you wonder if it's OK for Burnham to have the same policies as JC why it's not ok for JC to tout them too? Burnham is nothing than a reactionary muppet, oh look the public like that idea from Corbyn I'll change my policies and steal it too see if they will like me more then.... Bearing in mind conservative costs on Trident replacement is £100bn and we all know government projects ho waaaaaay over budget so assuming it'll cost us £200bn eventually. Not renewing 6 nuclear warheads could pay for a lot of infrastructure, hospitals, schools projects instead. I don't see how there is any real justifiable reason for us to spend so much money on a handful of subs with 6 nukes on board when people are going to food banks because of benefit delays & sanctions. Only popped on here to post those opinion polls & JC policies and ended up going off on one. Apologies, I don't get out much :-(
Corbyn is such a good bloke and he is the sort of person I want people of this country to get behind. I'm just not convinced that they will.
That Poll indicates they might but who really knows, it's not just about policy is it? Down to the media, how well he does at things like PMQ, how well he defends "us", how well he organises & utilises the rest of the party. It's funny how us Brits often back the underdog. One thing is certain JC has reinvigorated a very boring subject, he's got disaffected voters interested, got the pro libdem student vote too. Not saying he'll be able to pull it off BUT it's done the world of politics a bloody big favour. If Burnham now wins he's going to have to implement all the policies he's stolen from Corbyn so it has shaken Labour up a lot already Just like to add this statement from JC compare it to the messages that have come out from Blair, other back benches & other candidates too please log in to view this image
Sky obviously have an axe to grind. Like many in the media they will back Corbyn until he is elected and then turn on him. He will be Loony Leftie then. I have been a Labour party member for 41 years and even worked for them as a kid back as far as 1964. I was a Didtrict Councilor for 14 years. I think Corbyn will be the new leader but on that day I will leave the party. Not because I think that his policies are wrong but because I know working for them will just be wasted effort. Still all those millions out there who support him will no doubt step in and sweep them to victory. Good luck with that one.
Sky have an axe to grind? No not just sky the whole Murdoch empire. Well if you drop out it'll maybe give someone younger a chance then eh ;-) Surprised you didn't resign when Gordon Brown made himself unelectable then after "BigotGate"
Wow harsh lol. Agreed tho I actually had to go looking for the other 3s ideas for policy & even then Burnham has just nicked Corbyns populist policies then added on forcibly retiring MPs after 25 years. I mean that's not even subtle that it's about wiping Corbyn out ffs. Burnham is banging on about opposing tory welfare cuts but refusing to vote against them in parliament. Smacks to me Burnham is making it up as he goes trying to appeal to everyone at once. If you look at the Labour party Corbyn wants to create he wants to stop this presidential party system they have now with one supreme leader dictating policy to the rest he wants policies to flow from grass roots up, incidentally the same way the Green party do it. I joined the Greens this election but if Corbyn wins & presents policies like these I'll vote labour again, after Iraq I never thought I'd say that again. Gawd I'll put the soap box away again now lol
I was against Brown taking over as PM. It was only because of a long standing agreement with Blair. Brown was a good chancellor and the crash came more in spite of him than because of him. However you didn't have to be a genius to see that Brown didn't have the social skills to be PM. Had he called at election when he took over he would have won. Bad judgement.
100 Days of Dave the most insidious things the Tories have done so far http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...oduced-by-the-government-so-far-10457028.html
Be more like Captain Picard says Patrick Stewart http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...-follow-jeanluc-picards-example-10455116.html What a guy. Make it so Lol
