I'm firmly in the crock of **** camp. The name does matter, we've sung the song for years (though obviously not so regularly) , where you sit makes no difference to how big a fan you are, but those who go to every game home and away are obviously more committed than those who only do home games and all ages sing CTWD, it's not just kids. I can't remember what else you put, but if I've missed anything, that was a crock of **** as well.
I presume you were happy with David Lloyd as owner as you didn't offer to buy it from him. Same with Hinchcliffe and Buchanan. Perhaps you are one of those people who think only the rich should have an opinion. Many thousands of Hull people have watched entertaining football in the top flight over the years. They got on buses to Leeds, Liverpool and Manchester. I'm sure the majority of those singing City Till I Die understand why they are singing it, especially at 19:04. They want the team to be called Hull City not Hull Tigers. Its not difficult to understand. Chants change over time. For the past three seasons there have been virtually no chants with Tigers in them. Thanks to Assem Allam many of our supporters feel ashamed singing our nickname. Such is the path of history. Wouldn't it be ironic if the end result of all this name change business was singing anything with the Tigers in it became part of Hull City's ancient past.
Of course you didn't sing City Til I Die at 19.04 at Macclesfield as some lunatic hadn't tried to alter the name of the club then.Though City Til I Die was a commonly used chant back then. You having a West Stand pass doesn't make you more of a supported. It may have been just a thought but it was a ridiculous one. Anyone whose main concern concern is watching entertaining football at a reasonable price, preferably in the PL, isn't a fan in the real sense of the word. A fan supports their team through thick and thin, going home happy after a1-0 win with a last minute own goal but pissed off if losing 5-4 no matter how entertaining the game may have been. However it seems some people treat their team as a means of entertainment like the cinema or the theatre, and aren't even bothered about what name the team plays under. The day that any other club changes their name because it will supposedly bring in more revenue then it may show it isn't just a daft idea by a chairman who wants rid of the name City, something he never mentioned when he bought the club or up until the time Hull City Council wouldn't gift him the stadium. Keeping the name as it is won't lose millions a year as we would not earn any extra by changing the name. I position up the PL would have brought in more money, £2million or so, than any deals the Allam's had lined up on Ehab's own admission. Dropping tens of millions because of no name change or dropping ticket prices is a ridiculous statement as neither sponsorship or ticket sales bring in tens of millions in the first place. Of course I could have saved typing all that as Chesire Ben summed up your post in 3 words.
Blimey. And here's me thinking you leapt in simply because OLM quoted something off Twitter. I've truly learned something today. Which name change press releases are you referring to above, that fail to search for the truth?
Back to DMD and "I don't fight losing battles". Here's three questions with the same answer. Will you be applying this season to become Hull Tigers? "I don't fight losing battles". If you get promoted to the Premier League in the next five years will you apply to become Hull Tigers? "I don't fight losing battles". If the FA becomes more professional and global will you reapply to become Hull Tigers? "I don't fight losing battles". The answer means different things depending on the question. He may also have been joking when he said it, we know he has a sense of humour.
Looks like you were wrong yet again then. Perhaps you should look for facts rather than false preconceptions and **** speculation.
Yes I admitted I was wrong in the post you quoted. Those press releases? Do you have links you can share?
The press have a reputation for selective quoting. Surely even you're not going to try and argue they don't?
I'm wondering, what possible motivation would he have had, to select Allams quotes? I can't think of any, but you seem to.
I'm struggling to work out what you mean, but you seem to be implying you don't believe he'll be selective with his quotes. I hope you're right. It'll be unusual for a journalist, but could help in focusing on actual, rather than perceived issues if he does that. As for why journalists do it, there are a whole variety of reasons, including time, policy and generating responses.
"I recall 'the tigers' being the main chant at the old shed, I recall singers 'tigers, tigers' en route to Elland Road, I dont however recall singing 'City 'til I die' especially at 19.04 into a game whilst watching league 2 at Macclesfield..........just a thought." Crock of ****. A chant is not a song? What were the "singers" singing? By "old shed" I presume you mean BP. I recall many other songs/chants "City 'til I die" being one of them. We've played Leeds 9 times away between 1980 & now & you can recall what songs/chants you sang en route in your little blue three wheeler, although you can't recall what songs/chants where sang at Macclesfield where we've played 9 times since 1997. Why do you take notice of what time specific songs/chants are sang/chanted at? How do you know "City 'til I die" was not sang at Macclesfield at 1904? Funniest song/chant I heard at Macclesfield was about a brolly. You're just making up idiotic statements & using a very selective memory when choosing to either recall or not be able to recall specifics in a flaccid attempt to pretend that "City 'til I die" was not chanted/sang previous to Allam's ****fuckery. It was get over it, ask people who went. "I am in the West Stand, I pay more than those in the East, North and South stands for my season pass...does that make me more of a supporter than the others....just a thought I go to a few away games, not all but those I can make when I have the time...does that make me a less of a fan than those who go home and away........." Crock of ****. These statements don't make you a better or worse supporter, they do, though, make you a **** for having such pathetic thoughts. "I see many who chant 'City 'til I die' are no older than my kids..................where is the logic in what they are singing...do they understand....really understand what it is like to support the tigers I wonder or is it Hull City or Hull City Tigers or Hull City AFC or who really really gives a **** so long as we watch entertaining football at a reasonable price and ideally in the Premier league (otherwise what is the point in trying to win the league or even competing at any level)" Crock of ****. How old do you have to be to understand what it's like to support Hull City? If you & your kids are unable to be proud of the club they support & are devoid of feelings of passion & loyalty towards the club & everything associated with the club then that speaks volumes about you & your failings as a father rather than the kids around you. "Perhaps those who chant against the club owners should ask to buy it from them and run it as they see fit...keep the name as it is, drop ticket prices and lose tens of millions a year...but at least some of the fans will be happy.........or will they......just a thought" Crock of ****. Why should they? When the Allams bought the club they announced it was the best present you could give to a city. They outlined their vision for the club which included it to be floated on the stock exchange & be owned 60% by the fans & 40% by local businesses. They wanted the fans to become stakeholders. They detailed how important Hull City was to Hull City & East Yorkshire. They loved the fans & were quite open that they'd bought the club for the fans. They wouldn't have bought other clubs like Leeds or Sheff Weds because they too were Hull City supporters, although not football fans. This was his gift to the City. He then fell out with the Council, decided he didn't like the name, Hull City anymore. The fans became hooligans & irrelevent & when proclaiming their lifelong allegiance to their club, the supporters were told, by Allam, that they could die as soon as they like. Since the fallout he's openly told lies & made threats. The fans have every right to voice their opinion. Dropping ticket prices was Allam's idea. He actually said "Football is like air, it should be free" He also said Hull City fans would pay the lowest prices in the League. He then fell out with the council & started making threats to increase ticket prices by 50% if he didn't get his own way. The man's a **** & the fans have every right to let him know their opinion. "Don't get me wrong, I have no preference to the name either way, history is in the past, the here and now and the future is what drives us all forward so really, really will a name change to our clubs nickname make a real difference to peoples lives......just a thought" Crock of **** I haven't got you wrong, it is a crock of ****. If you've no preference why do you have such a strong opinion against those that have? Is it because you love Allam, The PL & "Hull City or Hull City Tigers or Hull City AFC" in that order? The history is the past, well done for stating the ****ing obvious. Did you learn that at school? The "here & now" & "future" have **** all to do with driving us forward. They will both happen anyway. We are being driven backwards by a man's petulance, arrogance & spite. There has been no suggestion that there should be any change to the club's nickname you ****ing thick, mong ****. Allam's proposed & now rejected change to the club's name has made a big difference to many people's lives. Many of whom traveled to Leeds & Macclesfield in seasons past chanting/singing, meaning & believing that they really were "City 'til I die" . Unfortunately your bullying, threatening, lying, arsewipe deity has made many feel unable to support the club whilst it's in his tenure. On a plus side your kids can carry on sitting on their hands watching the team in stripes try to score a goal without passion or feeling but probably wondering how much better it would be if daddy wasn't the "Ned Flanders" of the KC who enjoyed having all his passion rubber dicked out of him by his megalomaniac hero.
Unless they are already drawing a pension, you can't have spotted me, then. I know it has been said many times before but growing up in Hull in the fifties and sixties, the three teams were Rovers, Hull and City. Tom Courtenay appears to have forgotten but he was firmly behind this idea when asked about "Hull's" first promotion to the Premier League: Sitting in his Putney home, following events with delight, was Tom Courtenay, actor, knight of the realm and fan of "City" since he first saw Raich Carter adorn Boothferry Park in the days after the second world war. '"It was always City", he says, "never Hull. Hull and Hull KR were the rugby league teams, from the west and east of the city. The football team were City." I love the way he authenticated his Northern credentials by saying "were", not "was". However, Tom Mk I (pre allamisation) was completely right: the football team "were always City". It wouldn't exist for me by any other name. A nickname is not a name. I tried to make these points in a respectful letter to Mr Allam last year. He may have lived in Hull a long time but if he has only recently embraced football, I can understand why the sensitivity over the naming might escape him. I am genuinely surprised that anyone following the team for a while could be equally insensitive to the name's significance.
Ouch... ! westandtiger... are you a ****ing thick mong **** like he says, or are you going to stand up to this torrent of child-like black and white reasoning?
