Good Signings but where is the Defensive Plan?

Meh, who wants goals? Clean sheets are s*xy...

 

But after the sex, the sheets usually aren't that clean anymore.

 

Think my comment may have gone over your head there Jimmy

 

Obviously I meant the tactic of letting in 4 but to score 5... not a sensible one like winning 2-0 which most normal good teams are capable of regularly but we seem to shun in favour of the avalanche vs avalanche strategy

 

Least it didn't go over your head

 

But apparently we have to invest all of our money in buying attackers - scoring 2 isn't enough. We have to score 3-4 goals every game.

 

So far in this window - Clyne aside - I guess. But how many CBs have we bought in recent times... Toure, Lovren, Coates, Ilori, Sakho, sure I'm forgetting some... how many CBs do you have to buy before you get two - a solitary two - that can play well, regularly, together. I mean, it aint ****in rocket science this defence stuff is it, and yet we've been rocky and weak ass at the back for years

So what does it come down to... bad scouting / player recruitment, bad coaching, bad attitude / mentality of players brought in, all of the above??

 

Well Lovren was the most outrageous purchase - £20m for a mediocre defender to replace arguably our best defender (Sakho).

Rodgers is clueless re. defence in terms of coaching or setting up the structure. The fact he think he doesn't need a DM says it all.

 

again.. lovern, moreno, clyne, can, gomez.

obviously you are ignoring the fact we did actually buy defensive players especially since FOUR of those will player first team.

Mingolet
Clyne skertl Lovern Moreno
Can
Milner henderson
Firmino benteke coutinho​

all in red signed since suarez left.... ok look... half are defensive and half are offensive..

 

as i said i clearly remember the 1990s where exactly the same occured. how many came and went unilt hyppia stuck

simply put go look at utd. vidic and ferdinand... before that bruce and pallister.... now its jones, smalling evans, rojo and the like... they'll go thorugh a few before they hit the right guy.

CBs are hard to find a top top one. clearly there are two types (and a lot more but stick to two) Luvgonzo summed it up nicely.. you can attack the ball and be that sort fairly easily but to find the guy who'll manage the whole set up and allow the other guy go do the work is a lot harder.

We've been gash at the back since hyypia left... look at our last CL forray when chelsea ended up getting 4. people gave agger a very high rating but the boy would not pull a shifrt and was responsible for a lot of goals against.

 

Which means we more than made up for it with our attack. With no strikers.

#tacticalgenius

 

just take off the 9 goals we chucked in in the last 2 games stupidly playing 9 men.

1-3 and 1-6 results agaisnt **** teams

two clean sheets and the total would have been 39.... in line with citeh and manu.... think on lads.

11 players able to run/bothered to run will help.

 

Yep we are nailed on to concede fewer goals next season than last

 

I agree. no gerrard = more legs. no johnson = tracking back. can in midfield, proper RB, milner can run a bit... benteke to defend at corners.

all in all you can't say we've not improved things

 

The threat of a counterattack with Benteke will make the opponents sit deeper.

Firmino (and Ings/Origi when played) will press the **** out of them.

Gomez is also huge for defending set pieces.

And yes Gerrard gone automatically removes 30% of opponents' attacking opportunities.

 

If Can plays, then yes.

If not, the same issues will remain - opposition will walk through our midfield and be straight through to our defence.

 

Ings will push teams deeper.

If gomez plays LB we could be right in there and people could be saying we are genius.

For men we need to see firmino in action first and what he will do..

 

so wait and see first this weekend and then stoke game. if can doesn't lucas or allen will. I wont agree with them playing either but one will.

 

Ok, so a couple of things.

I agree with Mito, we have actually bought defensive players they just haven't all worked as combos yet. We had to wait out the expensive and lazy Johnson. Think about it, while he was here we tried young and loanees..once gone, we go buy the real deal in Clyne.

Lovren was a mistake probably scouting, where the scouts watched the Saints game in general rather than Lovren specifically lol..but at CB it's more likely not to work. And we have Sakho, maybe now BR is secure (ish) he'll be brave enough to admit a **** up and go with Sakho. Especially going on pre season..felt like last chance saloon being given to Lovren and he failed.

I agree I would have liked another LB but it's the same thing, waiting for Enrique to leave or die from repetitive strain injury from gaming. Bet we buy if he goes this year, definitely next year when he walks.

DM, is it needed if you have a very mobile, athletic and intelligent trio? Cans interviews state that BR told him he's playing in midfield this year? Why does that make you think he won't be picked Jimmy?

Our attack is looking closer to the high pressure, mobile intense line that BR wanted. Weak accepting him but it was clear Balotelli wasn't what Rogers wanted..he Saud so FFS. I think he's got what he wants now (post Suarez obviously)

And the gaping hole that was our declining captain has gone. Doesn't diminish his legend just a sigh of relief he did his last good thing for his club and made way.

I think this team will play as entire unit more successfully which who'll mean less gaps. Which means less goals conceded.

Oh and asking BR to switch from swashbuckling attack to Italian defence is like asking for snow in the Sahara. We will always have vunerabilities at the back. It's just tipping the balance just enough.

I'm hopeful.

 

we've had a loanee a season sahin, cissokho, moses, manquillo... all filling in squad slots. we bought moreno after cissohko, we bought clyne after manquillo.

We've now got to put it together as rodgers has his players in every slot.

I'm hopeful also. I think we'll find a way as we've the options to do so.