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MITO

 

I'm still going through the pages, but thought I'd reply to this one.

From my notes on mito's voting on day 1 (I used hashtags in my notes so I can find votes easily, sad, I know ):

#vote1 (pg 1-2)
mito - I vote : Less hope than neville why i hear you scream... why not i say. not to worry i plan on being quite random on day one and will vote for everyone.. after all I have swapped roles with AFc haven't i

#vote 2 (pg11-12)
mito - ergo i vote IBWT now you are under threat and i know what happens next.

#vote 3 (pg 11-12)
mito - Next BODANKI tell us all again how innocent you are

#vote 4 (pg 11-12)
mito - I vote funky cos he's changed votes once more than me so far

#vote 5 (pg 13-14)
mito - I agree I vote Lucaaas. He has not been on yet?

#vote 6 (pg 13-14)
mito - Vote Valley

#vote 7 (pg 17)
mito - vote Nobbertos salsa inferno

#vote 8 (pg 21-22)
mito - vote Gerrez

#vote 9 (pg 21-22)
mito - vote ACS

#vote 10 (pg 21-22)
mito - vote Seb

#vote 11 (pg 23-24)
mito - vote swarbs table is way off

So I have that as 11 different people!

The reason the page numbers are in group of two is because I only label odd pages as it's a ball-ache to label every page.
I keep notes on all comments I think are worthwhile, suspicious or good points, I know it might be slightly over the top.

For those of you that still think I'm mafia after getting an idea of how detailed my notes are, screw you. I'm trying to be a good innocent townie, if I was mafia I wouldn't even bother trying to figure out roles like this.

 

All this does is shows me tell you all I'd be exactly what I said I'd be from the off and as I explained Challenge people I saw just to see anything.

I also just voted randomly by the end and finally thought swarbs knocked the vote off in the end.

Got any notes on valley please?

Challenge is get them up in next little while to prove you have them.

 

Yet you didn't investigate him. despite the fact it would give us a much better insight into the situation. You conveniently declared you investigated Gerrez after he was confirmed dead.

You admitted killing Bisc claiming the Mafia had your family so you were forced to. Yet you also claim there's a chance Valley must have been compromised. The rules clearly state the mafia has a hidden action. Not hidden actions. Both the mafia kidnapping your family AND them controlling Valley can't happen. You can't have it both ways. You're also suggesting Valley is mafia and murdering his own.

It stands to reason you should be lynched, Our detective dies and you claim that you're an investigator who's just investigated a person who died. convenient as the other investigate post had just been claimed.

The real PI. If you combine all the evidence against mito including his far fetched reasoning, only 2/3 investigations are correct, the possibility he's had no result worth sharing, the fact that revealing himself would most likely to result in death by mafia, and with Valley already being out in the open then he has no reason to expose himself so early. I wouldn't yet that's for sure.

Or we can ignore all that and vote for Tennisball based on the investigation of the main suspect, who's already confessed to murder citing the one mafia hidden action all based on a whim that Valley is victim of another mafia hidden action despite the suspect already claiming the action to have been used.

Nothing is certain but to not follow the evidence we know is ****ing insane at this point.

Mito

 

Morning all!

I really hate this game

We have a plan - probably the only sensible plan we have open to us - but I don't have to like it. I'd be much happier with a plan that left us with a chance of keeping MITO alive, at least until we can find out whether SirTennis is innocent.

I also would prefer Valley to be investigating some of the more shadowy characters. As it stands, there is a chance that Valley could investigate MITO and also that meth head will kill MITO. Am I missing something or is that a waste?

 

Managed to eventually catch up.

Do some of you have night jobs or what?

Position for me is to go with No Chance's left field approach.

Why?

Why has no-one else not come forward as Town Drunk yet? I don't accept Funky's position that real Town Drunk should not reveal himself if non townie trying to lead the thinking of the townies.

Also risk of killing real town drunk if secret power enables baddies to alter info being given out, which I think has happened here, as no MAFIA hit. Possibly only one action allowed per night for MAFIA.

If Sir T is townie, sorry, but there are always casualties and at least he has gone to a better place but on MITO's evidence there is a 2/3 chance of Sir T being a baddy.

If Sir T turns out to be a townie then we simply lose i townie and MITO gets it tomorrow.

If Sir T is a baddy and we lynch MITO then we could lose our only (?) source of insight.

Ergo worth possibly killing one townie to try and keep possible town drunk.

 

Sure, not going to quote page numbers as it takes ages. This is in chronological order:

OK this as far as I've got, I'm up to page 55. I just checked the last page when I got the notification that you replied to my message.

Anything else mito?



Valley - Im actually innocent for a change

Valley - You can add me as innocent. Right lads won't be on until dinner time.

Valley - Just caught up on the pages abd nobody has indicated that they're mafia or serial killer yet so im surprised at the current votes. I have no opinion as of yet therefore cannot vote.

Valley - I'm a very important member of town for a change.

Valley - I haven't seen LUCAAS post so I'll go with him.

#vote
Valley - MITO has voted me so I'll retaliate MITO.
Valley - I'm a townie with an important role.

#vote
Valley - Vote Lucaaas

Valley - ****ing hell we've lost already

#INVESTIGATION REPORT
Valley - An investigation last night and Tobes was identified as not being a member of the Town.
Valley - The poster who kept changing votes in the last few moments was seen running away with a bloodied knife in his hand near IBWTs sliced and diced body. This person is a Liverpool MOD. (mito)

Valley - I can confirm it is 100% genuine which is why I'd recommend we stick Tobes and MITO in a two way and see what happens.

#VOTE
Valley - I'll vote Tobes.

Valley - The investigation did not confirm what Tobes is, it also only said that MITO was seen running away from the crime s end with a bloodied knife.

Valley - I had Tobes investigated lads, and on my way home I saw MITO running from the area in which IBWT was killed with his bloodied knife. I just happened to see MITO.

Valley - I am not the PI or the Drunk, I work part time on Most Haunted

Valley - I am under nobodies influences.

Valley - Lads, can I say that I have not said that MITO is Mafia, that I do not know. All I saw was him running away with a bloodied knife.

Valley - I think we need to stick Gerrez and Tobes in a two way tomorrow lads.

Valley - Mito shouldn't waste a vote investigating me as killing Tobes will confirm my story that he is NOT TOWN.

Valley - Ok a few have said MITO, I'm leaning towards him, BobbyD, Swarbs and Tash666 at the moment. I'll post my suspicions now in case I'm sucking on a bullet tonight.

Valley - Which is why I've laid out my prime suspects excluding Tobes as he's dying tonight, as Swarbs, BobbyD and Tash666.

 

He didn't investigate him because we ALL told him not to. It would have been a crazy move to investigate Valley when Tobes was up for lynching. That just wastes our investigators powers. It did make sense for Valley to investigate MITO though.

I am concerned that you seem very ken to ignore the possibility that MITO might be our PI. Why risk our investigating powers?

 

You are missing something, Valley did investigate mito and it said he was not town.

 

Worried you had all day to build your numbers against me yesterday but you could ha e just now pulled day one in last 10 minutes off valleys profile page.... no numbers on those but there are on mine.

Sorry but at least you could post something.

It's up to others to decide.

 

Yes I know he did. Some people are suggesting he investigates him again to check if the mafia switched the result. IJust saying that personally I don't see the point in that. Valley should be using his vote more constructively. At least we have circumstantial evidence to play with as far as you and MITO go,

 

Both the bits in bold are wrong.

As mito has pointed out all along (fair play to him) there's only a 67% chance of me being mafia, so when I'm proven innocent it doesn't mean he is mafia. I've been pointing this out all along, so have many others. Killing me does not conclusively prove that mito is innocent or guilty, once I'm confirmed as a townie. If I was mafia then it would mean he could well be innocent, but Valley's investigation said he was non town so that is in major doubt now.

Mito is not the only source of insight. Valley says he is psychic which is the main source of insight, at 100% accuracy. Mito says he is the drunk which is the second source of insight at 67% accuracy (which is not 100% accurate as I found out the hard way).

 

That's fair.

I told valley yesterday I was not investigating him

Check back.

I was sure valley was telling truth after Tobes said what he said. Why then waste the investigate.

Then.. why invite in investigate or kill on me?

That's one...

Second it's says mafia have a hidden action. What do you say to not only mafia have an agenda and so we don't know. To dismiss utterly my point that someone could have switched it is dangerous.

Third I stated clearly from my point of view your point of view us totally valid as you cannot know I am telling the truth or not so can see from your point of view that valleys is right.

 

I am still leaning toward MITO being guilty, but the meth head will take him out.

Dont buy this whole, the drunk doesnt know anything and so wont reveal himself bullshit. Its nuts, especially when someone is impersonating him, and we could reduce the mafia down to one member tonight for sure were that the case, 1 vs all of us = assured victory, yet MITO has gone unchallenged as the drunk since he declared it, and if the real drunk is active and has done nothing, then he is a backbirth, as is anyone who buys that theory.

I think the real drunk has either been silenced or is inactive.

 

But you WILL know when I die that valleys info is wrong.

You all need to figure out why.

 

The real drunk (if not MITO) doesn't really need to reveal themselves atm imo.

- If he doesn't reveal himself, he knows MITO is guilty and thus just needs to wait for us to string up MITO. At the moment MITO seems guilty enough that the drunk probably doesn't feel the need to expose himself just to put the final nail in
- If he does reveal himself, MITO still looks guilty, but then the Mafia will know who the drunk is and may kill him. The real drunk could be using this as cover to investigate loads of people in the shadows and then when the Mafia kills are used up he can come forwards and give us loads of info without fear. Or he may have no useful info yet.

Imo if the drunk reveals themselves, it won't really affect MITO's fate, but could cause the drunk to be killed

 

Because he's claiming there could be two different hidden mafia actions when there can only be one. His story rests on either Valley killing his own mafia team mate(highly unlikely) or Valley being victim to the Mafia hidden action which Mito himself has already claimed after he killed Bisc. It doesn't add up. The fact you missed that part of my post completely reeks of Mafia defending Mafia. It puts considerable doubt on his only get out.

 

Remember we still have the cartel and SK out there, and MITO is looking guilty as anything right now.

Like I said in the post above, would the drunk risk being recruited by cartel or taken out by Mafia if we are going to kill MITO anyway?

 

Both good points. However, I firmly believe that Valley is a dead man walking. I think even he was surprised to still be here today. This is the downside of having discovered Tobe so early and gone public. With two bits of info he had no choice though.

As stated in another post (you probably have its number) the chain of events for mito and you to oth be innocent would mean that MITO would have had to have had the worst possible game and most unlucky turn of events imaginable. There is a chance you are both innocent but the circumstantial evidence would be overwhelming. If you are innocent (which at this moment I don't think you will be cos I still trust MITO for some reason) but if you are innocent trhen in my book I have to accept I am wrong and MITO has to go.

 

OK I'm not going to play this silly game where I reveal all my notes to you. I have tons, it's up to others to believe it or not. I'll paste a few random sections, but won't bother with any more after this.

Sorry for spamming the board guys, this is the last time I'll post my notes to satisfy mito's curiosity. I've taken out my notes where I make comments on the posts as that would be giving things away.

pg 5

Valley - I'm a very important member of town for a change.

Gerrez - that's a very early announcement that you have a role within the town #mafiatactic. TBF, you can't be Mafia, you've been far too active already

Bodanki - I am completely up for going for the quiet people first to be honest. So I say we go for the mutes. It will do one of two things:
Bodanki - 1) Force them to talk, so they may actually contribute, or give something away maybe. Or 2) Get rid of the deadwood that isn't really helping the town anyway

#VOTE
Tobes - I vote: 666 Tash 666. Following the same logic I'll try and rustle one out of the undergrowth and see what happens

mito - For me the numbers suggest 2/3 up on a tied lynch is not really much use to us. the odds of pinning a guy whi is bad are actually low enough right now
mito - At least for now.. as in up to 5pm voting for someone and forcing a single post out of them is as good a tactic as any.

#VOTE
Rolando - Voting Biscan. He was quick off the mark, perhaps a little too excited to get involved....

#VOTE
Valley - I haven't seen LUCAAS post so I'll go with him.

#VOTE
Funky - Vote Billy
Funky - Hang on, somebody has already voted for billy. Vote Sebbs Campaign Manager

pg 11

mito - I'm now bored.

#vote 2
mito - ergo i vote IBWT now you are under threat and i know what happens next.

#vote
tennisball - Right I'll be on later but will bank a vote early to get the ball rolling.
tennisball - Voting for ACS, I know he legitimately travels for work but he played the same card last game and was the SK, so I'll bank a vote on him early on.

#vote 3
mito - Next BODANKI tell us all again how innocent you are

#vote
Swarbs - I vote MITO. Let's see if he now switches his vote back to me, cos that will just confirm he is Mafia

#vote 4
mito - I vote funky cos he's changed votes once more than me so far

#VOTE Update
Bodanki (1): Billy
Sebbs Campaign Manager (1): IBWT
BobbyD (1): Gerrez
Mikey (1): ACS
Billy (1): Bodanki
666 Tash 666 (1): Tobes
IBWT (1): Rolando
Lucaaas (1): valley
ACS (2): Funky, sir tennisball
Mito (2): Less Hope than Neville, Swarbs
Gerrez (1): Sebbs campaign manager
Funky (1): Mito
Yet to vote: lucaaas, Mikey, 666 Tash 666, BobbyD, Nobbertos salsa inferno

#vote
IBWT - Vote tash. puts a few out on a tie then and he's not replied yet

mito - cos i'm bored. I said before i started switching i was bored. I find it should at least catch someone who is on's attention.
mito - oh oh i know how to be sure to die today. so lads.. mike Ashley.. i hear he's doing good things in the north east. discuss
mito to tobes - anyway... how are you and when will ross Barkley finally shaft you lot and join us?

pg 23

IBWT - Just as much chance of hi being mafia in this game as anyone else... The past has no baring on the present in this case because different people, different number and it's randomly assigned.
IBWT - ACS trying to save himself by voting Billy?

#vote
Neville - Vote ACS

#vote
Tobes - Not having his late arrival and therefore I choose: LUCCAAS

#vote
Swarbs - So I vote ACS to put him in the tie with Billy and Lucaaas.

Swarbs - Anyone else going to Tash to make it a four way?
Billy (3): Bodanki, Gerrez, ACS
666 Tash 666 (2): IBWT, Lucaaas
IBWT (1): Rolando
ACS (3): sir tennisball, Neville, Swarbs
Gerrez (1): Billy
BobbyD (1): Mikey
Nobbertos salsa inferno (1): Funky
Lucaaas (3): Valley, Sebbs campaign manager, Tobes,
Sebbs campaign manager (1): Mito

#vote 11
mito - swarbs table is way off

mito - too late lads, swarbs i reckon you put 4 on acs as there was another vote there. I took mine off by voting swarbs. was the fastest way to remove my vote.

IBWT - So Swarbs potentially killed ACS on his own...

#VOTE Update
Final Vote Table for Day 1:
Billy (3): Bodanki, Gerrez, ACS
666 Tash 666 (2): IBWT, lucaaas
IBWT (1): Rolando
ACS (3): sir tennisball, Less Hope than Neville, Swarbs
Gerrez (1): Billy
BobbyD (1): Mikey
Nobbertos salsa inferno (1): Funky
Lucaaas (3): Valley, Sebbs campaign manager, Tobes
Swarbs (1): Mito
Yet to vote: 666 Tash 666, BobbyD, Nobbertos salsa inferno

#GAME UPDATE
DAY BREAK
The Sun rises over Methville after a tragic night for the town.
The town lynched Billy, he was the Doctor.
IBWT was found stabbed to death in what appears to be a mafia hit. IBWT was the Detective.
The Cartel did not recruit.
Investigation PMs etc will be sent now


g 41

Swarbs - I agree with this - if MITO is actually the drunk then we can't trust him anyway.
What we need is for you to investigate MITO and find out if he is telling the truth. Your investigations are 100% legit, so you can confirm once and for all if MITO is PI or Mafia.
That's important to do now imo, as otherwise we may lynch Sir Tennisball tomorrow based on MITO's info, which may not be accurate.

Gerrez - He was never going to investigate someone at risk; aka he was never going to pick a lurker if that was who we were targeting for the lynch.
Plus, for you to be innocent, both Valley and MITO have to be lying and their stories fit together. No way the Mafia would take such a risk this early in the game when outnumbered so badly, they need the game to last over a week for them to win, highlighted themselves now would give themselves no chances.

mito - What do I believe right now?
1. I know I am the town drunk and I know I was playing a tactical game yesterday based on having making myself look nuts and in general I thought nobody would then either recruit or kill me as the risk was highish. The mafia killed ibwt instead…
2. I THINK sir tennis is a mafia. I am 2/3s sure but there has to be doubt given my role
3. I THINK valley is telling the truth as his pm reveal aligns with what I KNOW is in my pm. Of course he could be putting it all on and laughing.. BUT the real psychic could even have tagged but did not. The real one could still come out and end this as in the end if valley is caught lying it’s a good bargain. As none has I have to believe valley.
4. Therefore I think THINK tobes is non town. I don’t know what role that is but its one to kill. That’s why my vote is on tobes.
5. Even if this is a put on the mafia have one kill left. I THINK their hidden power is this force someone else to do it and then have someone see it. I don’t know who its set up exactly.
What I acknowledge:
1. I came out only after valley. Ergo I see I can look desperate and trying a put on. … three things.

Gerrez - As I keep saying, I think Valley was compromised but there are only three ways of finding out:
1) we lynch Valley and risk losing the psychic
2) we lynch you and risk losing a standard townie
3) we leave both alone and investigate
here are a whole host of players that haven't made much of a contribution so far today; Funky, ACS, Lucaaas, Mikey, LHTN, Tash (not one comment in the game), Sebb, BobbyD, Rolando, NSI (not one comment in the game?), Bod, Valley and Swarbs...?

#VOTE
Bodanki - I am gonna make the same mistake twice and go for Tobes
If he is anything other than mafia though, I am gonna go after Valley and MITO with a zeal like that which has never been witnessed.

BobbyD - 1. firstly from the off, OBI is a massive **** stirrer, i ain't taking nothing he says as real
2. Valley coming out early. This troubles me that after losing the doctor and Investigator
I am totally happy to lynch tobes For me it would confirm Valleys innocence
3. MITO coming out early. Smacks of desperation before the votes have even been made
I'm actually more than happy to lynch Sir Tennis before MITO ala what we are doing with Tobes.
4. Sir Tennis killed me last game so i want a bit of revenge . In all seriousness, he's been fingered by MITO and supposedly Sir Tennis is really good at this game.
All i've seen though are mistakes upon mistakes by him. Day 1 he said he was voting for ACS cause he was the SK last game, that was factually incorrect as i was SK last game. Since last nights revelation he has been asking MITO how he could have done 2 investigations repeatedly when MITO has already stated that he did 1 investigation and got a note saying he killed IBWT ergo no 2nd investigation. Just get this general feeling SirTennis is anti town.

Gerrez - Number three is easy, we investigate him. If Valley is telling the truth then he should be looking at MITO tonight.