Liverpool/Arsenal XI

yeah 1 is poor attacking and the other defending.

 

Yet. Same as you not including Can in your CM list earlier because he's young

 

I didn't include Can in that list because he's actually a very good player already and has potential to become world class in a specific role.

I don't see the same in Allen, Hendo or Milner.

Not sure why me excluding Can from the list has any relevance to you comparing Flanno with Arbeloa or Finnan.

 

Your actual comment was 'jack of all trades, master of none'. Enlighten me, what is Can the master of?

The relevance is you excluded him because he is young and will get better but you fail to apply the same logic when looking at Flanno, Arbeloa and Finnan.

Edit: and it wasn't me that compared them either

 

The 'master' comment was not literal. But it's evident that he's a special talent who will excel in a midfield role, preferably box to box. Now compare that him to the other three and honestly, can you see any world class ability? The answer is no.

And you can't compare Flanno to the other 2 - despite being younger, he's still sh*t and will always be sh*t. There is no potential. This is his limit. He won't get any better especially given his horrible injury record.

Flanno is not this reliable, Mr Dependable type defender. Arbeloa and Finnan were underrated but they were quality and could play at the highest level.

Let's be adults and end this now, can't be bothered going into it again! Lol.

 

None of our midfielder, including Can and Milner, have works class abilities, that was why I pointed it that you had omitted Can. You didn't include him because he's one of your favourites

And your right, you can't ever compare youngsters attributes to that of a yesteryear player, god forbid a young player will ever have one or two similar attributes

Just because you don't agree doesn't make it untrue.

 

You can compare a youngster with any player of any age. Like I said before, would you rather Coutinho at 21 or Lallana at 26? Or Sterling at 20 or Lambert 87?

I look at players for their potential and current ability.

I see none in Flanno.

Please, let's end this discussion. For the love of God...

 

Since it was Flappy and I talking, you didn't have to join the conversation in the first pace

 

My apologies, I mistook this for a public forum ..

Fine, I'll be the bigger man and end this ...

 

You can take part in whatever discussion you want Jimmy, but it's a bit daft to declare you've had enough and "you're" ending it when you OPTED to join it

We'll never agree on certain subjects, you know that and I know that. You OPTED to join a conversion about Flanno knowing full well it was one of those subjects.

 

Did we go for him? would he get a game over our midfielders ? would you rather sanchez rejected us and went to you and milner rejects you and comes to us ? liverpool are not a top club anymore same as muhamed ali would get destroyed by klitchko liverpool are pretty much the same great history but over the hill. you only have one player who would challenge for a spot in our 1st 11 and thats sturridge who is injured alot

 

Gerrez is clearly Flanno's agent.

 

I'd have coutinho and Sturridge on the bench and sakho might get into the squad ahead of Gabriel, but otherwise I'd just stick with the Arsenal team.

Sanchez, Cazorla and ozil have been our three best players this season, Ramsey is ahead of any CM you have and the Coq has been a revelation. Just can't see where I'd squeeze in a Liverpool player.

Milner is a solid squad signing for you lot but you could do with adding one or two really top quality players to add some spark to the team rather than just lots of average/squad players. You've spent a lot on players over the last couple of seasons but still haven't added someone who can make a real difference e.g. Suarez.

 

------------Mig

Arsenal-Kos-Sakho-Arsenal
----------Hendo-Coq
Sterling--Ozil--Sanchez
-----------Studge

 

How quickly things change, Ozil has been poor in general and the love in is so silly. Yes he improved but to start saying he's one of youe best players is daft and to put him in a team ahead of Coutinho just as daft as he's been consistant throughout the season, Ozil very poor at times and for long periods.

The rest is down to opinion and you're right on most fronts.

 

That's just nonsense, ozil hasn't been poor for large parts of the season...he was injured for a chunk of the first half of the season! He's been amongst our best three players since returning from injury. The quality of his play is on a different level to anyone at Arsenal or Liverpool. If you'd watched him regularly you'd see the technical ability he has is incredible. I'd imagine he's the second name on the team sheet after Sanchez.

Coutinho has scored a couple of wonder goals and I do think he is a good player but there is no chance I'd pick him ahead of ozil or Cazorla.

Ozil 32 apps, 5 goals, 9 assists (last season 7 goals, 15 assists)
Coutinho 52 apps, 8 goals, 6 assist, (last season 5 goals, 8 assists)

So statistically ozil has out performed coutinho in both his seasons in the country, though stats only tell half a story and if you watch ozil play regularly you can see he is world class.

As I said though of all liverpools players it's him and Sturridge, maybe sakho who would get into the match day squad at Arsenal in my opinion. I do like coutinho and think it was good for his career to go to Liverpool, I also think he will probably stick with Liverpool for another couple of seasons at least. He's the one you should build your team around I reckon.

 

Last season he wasn't so great this season he has kicked on since his he returned from injury he is on another level to coutinhio in my opinion.since ozil joined arsenal we have won 2 trophies he has been a big part of this.

 

I wasn't comparing him to Carzola but it's good to see that he's up there with him stats wise.

I'm still not convinced by Ozil, yes he's improved but he's still not performing at a level that deserves the praise he's getting but there are signs that he's getting there.

 

Ozil plays 20 yards further forward than Coutinho on average. You can't compare them.

In a combined side, Cout would be looking to pick out Ozil with passes or making runs from deep trying to play 1-2s on the edge of the 18 yard box with him.

 

My main memories of Ozil is him being put on his arse and booed off the pitch by his own fans

#bottler

 

We'll just have to disagree. Yes he's won trophies but the whole team are responsible for that and I don't think he's been the driving factor behind that success.