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Off Topic A Wonderful Gift to the People of Hull

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by StrovolosTiger, Apr 28, 2015.

  1. beyondthetouchline...

    beyondthetouchline... Active Member

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    As long as we accept all of his gifts nicely we can ignore the shadow side of his relationship with us (The people of Hull) can't we? The problems only start when we assert our own beliefs & independence of thought which, heaven forfend! may not always be the same as his...he even said his intervention in our club was a 'gift' to the people of Hull didn't he? We really should shut up & be grateful shouldn't we...
     
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  2. hovetiger

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    Cheap shot, especially as the 2 posters who mentioned Savile explicitly also stated that they did not equate Allam with Saville. Misjudged they may have been in even mentioning the bloke, but hardly evidence of some kind of orchestrated campaign of a hooligan minority to portray Allam as the source of all evil. You seem more determined to portray any opposition as somehow illegitimate, invalid and the work of this Allam imagined 'hooligan minority'.
    Is this because there isn't actually a positive argument to support Allam's plans for the club, so you have to resort to the same tactics as Allam himself ie smear the opposition?
     
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    StrovolosTiger Well-Known Member

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    This thread is about abuse, this thread is about perspective. It's not about whooping up a frenzy of hatred based on incomplete facts and downright lies.
     
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    StrovolosTiger Well-Known Member

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    So, comparing Assem Allam with Jimmy Saville and then editing it to say your not comparing him with that monster is fine in your view?
     
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    FILEYseadog Well-Known Member

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    I don't hate anyone strov....

    All AA had to do was hold a YES / NO vote at the start of all this.

    He said himself it would have only brought in an extra 1 million.

    Seems all bloody pointless to me why he has pressed on and on and on
     
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  6. beyondthetouchline...

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    I didn't edit my Saville reference. The point, obviously, was that good works for charity do not give anyone carte blanche to do whatever they like & that such folk can do bad things of which we needn't approve
     
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    StrovolosTiger Well-Known Member

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    You are either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid.
     
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    You'd have to wait for them to reply for themselves. I could have made the same point about self serving altruism without bringing Jimmy Savile into it, but then all I can do is take them at face value when they say they do not equate Allam with Saville in any other way. You've chosen not to and instead read something into their posts that they specifically deny.
    As I say, you seem more concerned with smearing any anti Hull Tigers or anti Allam sentiment as radical, full of hatred and the work of this imagined 'hooligan minority'. In my view, the opposition to Hull Tigers, over the past 2 years, has been remarkably restrained, respectful and cogent. This, again in my view, is in stark contrast to the Allams who, in their public statements, have tended to abuse any opposition, ignored any argument, and have failed to bother making any positive case for their plans.
     
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    Well, I am incredulous at least...what is your point? (Forgive my stupidity) & what was your point at the start of this thread?
     
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  10. Charlie1

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    If you're not comparing then no need to say it. To link the two people is perhaps not the best way of making your point. Put 'bad things' into some kind of context then or define it.
     
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    StrovolosTiger Well-Known Member

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    You are the on who talks about hooligan minority not me just as those who compared Assem Allam with Jimmy Saville chose to make that comparison, I didn't force them. Ironically, as I have already said it is what this thread was originally about; balance and perspective over abuse and hatred.
     
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    It's the charity aspect that makes the comparison valid I think, and it's not just doing 'good' or 'bad' things, it's a personality type (which I also mentioned in my original post) clearly if there is any comparison in personality type AA is a far milder version (Narcissistic essentially)
     
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    I wonder if AA will ask for the final say in who the machine can/cannot be used to help :emoticon-0110-tongu

    I suppose there are good things all evil people can do & evil things all good people can do !!

    I'll let you make your own mind up which category Allam falls into
     
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    The Oystons recently sued a fan for comments made on a website. If posters on here start equating Allam with the likes of Savile (even hiding behind phrases like ''of course I'm not saying they are the same'') then they are on a slippery path. Get a sense of perspective. Savile abused hundreds of vulnerable childrenl Allam wants to change the name of a football club. So people dislike what he has done in football terms which is fair criticism but to attack someone in such a vehement and mindless manner is definitely not fair. No, I am not an Allam lover but this conrtinuous abuse is going too far.
     
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    My point is that this 'abuse and hatred' is in the main, simply imagined. CTWD, which specifically organised to fight the Hull Tigers proposal, was, in my view, restrained, respectful and attempted, despite provocation, to stick to logical argument to make their case. Since then, a broader issue has arisen, around the Allam's ownership of the club itself, and, again, I have seen very little evidence so far of this turning into some kind of organised campaign of personal hate against Assem Allam. If anything, the abuse you seem so concerned about has come from the Allam's inflammatory public statements, about the Council, and about a 'hooligan minority' who can stay away and 'die when they want'. I don't see much balance and perspective from you in acknowledging any of this or in engaging in the actual debate...you seem far more concerned in being provocative by scouring comments for some kind of evidence to discredit any anti-Allam view.
     
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    It's not valid at all imo. Then just compare two people that give to charity. Are you qualified to compare Saville personality type to Mr Allams? Quite a few on here getting on dodgy ground comparing apparantly 'like for like' to justify their own views about football related matters to a very very bad man.
     
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    If you think Allam is in any way shape or form evil then you really do need to get out more.
     
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    Look, I was not comparing AA to JS, I was giving an example (albeit extreme perhaps) of how, in particular, charitable acts can blind us to an individual's less charitable side shall we say. Valid, I feel, given how this thread began. This may be a bleeding obvious point to make I guess but I felt it worth making nevertheless. I also suggested that the giving of gifts always has some meaning for the giver. In the case of yer narcissist it is generally to feel less worthless/rubbish and more beneficent/worthy in the eyes of the rest of the world. Probabely.
     
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    well said
     
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    Strov you're such a mong.

    You never actually have anything to say, but you love arguing. Just desperately and predictably clinging to the Savile comparison but ignoring the point that was made. Coveniently. Again. I really don't get why people like you bothers with forums. Is it something you enjoy?
     
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