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Something's rotten at Hampden

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  1. DevAdvocate

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    John Fleming, Scottish FA head of referee development

    "I don't think there was anyone in the ground who would have thought it was 100% a penalty and sending off until they had seen the replay. "When you watch it again on TV you can see clearly that it has a handball, no question about that.

    "But that is most apparent when the replay is slowed down and you watch it again. "What we do is speak to the officials involved, we take their view on what happened, we look at a freeze frame on the incident in question and we then look at their positioning. "Alan was a very short distance from the incident when it happened. For him to see properly when the ball was headed goalwards, he would have had to see through the head of the player [Meekings]. "So I can see why in real time it looked as though the ball hit his face.

    "Steven could see through the gap in play as the game unfolded but there was a millisecond, a click of the fingers when his view was not 100%. "In a situation like that when you cannot trust entirely what has happened you can't give a penalty or a red-card. "You need to be absolutely certain and if you're not then you shouldn't give it."



    No mention of any officials who said they thought the ball hit Meekings on the face.

    Then today at Hampden, all of a sudden, the official behind the goal says he thought he DID see the ball hit Meekings face, so therefore the incident WAS dealt with by the Officials at the time.

    This reeks, its like Dougiegate all over again.
     
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    It's a conspiracy !!! :bandit:
     
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    That's what I said.
     
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    The Scottish FA's former compliance officer admits that he is "quite shocked" that Josh Meekings is free to play in the Scottish Cup final. A judicial panel dismissed the defender's retrospective one-game suspension for a semi-final hand ball missed by the match officials."For me, it was a stone-waller," Vincent Lunny told BBC Scotland. "Possibly just sympathy from the panel. At the end of the day, it's a jury and anything can happen with a jury."
    Fifa vice-president Jim Boyce and former Celtic manager Neil Lennon had both suggested that taking retrospective action over a hand ball for the first time would set a dangerous precedent. But Lunny believes his successor, Tony McGlennan, was right to bring the case against Meekings for handling a goalbound Leigh Griffiths header in the 3-2 win over Celtic.

    "I don't think it is a dangerous precedent because the rule itself is quite clear - it's any sending off offence missed by match officials," he said. "If you pick and choose which offences you're going to raise and which you're not arbitrarily, that would be a dangerous precedent. "If the clubs or individuals feel that the rule has to be narrowed down to violent conduct or serious foul play, for example, that would require a rule change. "As it stands just now, the rule covers this scenario, so I think Tony McGlennan had nowhere to go and had to take the case to the panel."

    Lunny explained that, following discussions with the refereeing department, the compliance officer would have contacted the six match officials individually and asked them to confirm, usually by email, that they missed the incident before issuing his offer of a one-game suspension.

    The former compliance officer thought there were two possible explanations for the panel's subsequent decision - sympathy or confusion over the offence. "The three people deciding it will be football people and it may have been with a good plea put up by Josh Meekings' legal team, that there's been a degree of sympathy for the player," he said."There might have been some argument over whether this was an offence missed by match officials or not. "But the key word is 'offence' not 'incident'. We had Ryan Stevenson dealt with a couple of years ago for serious foul play where the referee and assistant had seen the tackle. "They had seen the incident but missed the fact it was serious foul play. And it is really the offence that's important, not the incident."
     
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    Still think we should just let this one go. It was bad decision they happen but we got beat because we were sloppy.
     
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    Agree ... Celtic should still be good enough to beat ICT with 10 men
     
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    If any of you believe there isn't heavy bias/ downright ****ing cheating! against our club, you must be an extremely tolerant person.

    I have seen a thousand big decisions lliks that (and would have finished the game btw) go against us in criciai games,

    You only need to read how we are reported by the sports media in our own country! The vast majority can't stand to see us win,

    **** EM ALL! They were gonny make sure we didn't win, regardless of how ridicules the decision might have been.
     
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    Audrey bbz, you sound like a hun circa 2012-Present.
     
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    What's not true about that statement? You trying to say that we dont get a raw deal in this country?
     
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    Yeah, being the biggest team with the most resources tends to mean fans of other clubs don't want to see you win.

    Suggesting that us not getting decisions (such as the Meekins handball) is anything other than gross incompetence is Super Hooper territory. We get plenty of decisions for us, and we get some against us. To describe it as "heavy bias / downright ****ing cheating" is just being hyperbolic and ridiculous.

    The SFA are a clown shoe of an organization, but that's not because there's some mass anti-Celtic conspiracy that's rife from top-to-bottom, but more because it's just run by ****wits, full stop. It's so tiresome listening to and reading about fellow fans dredging up the "everyone's against us" mince - I prefer to leave that to the huns.
     
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    So when Jock Stein spoke of bias he was talking piss too? John Reid saying we wont be treated like second class citizens anymore, was he imagining things? and generations of tic fans, they were all wrong but you are right? Pull yer head out yer arse!
     
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    <laugh>

    Apologies for holding a different opinion, Audrey.

    It's 2015. It isn't the 60s or the 70s, and it's not Greig dishing out masonic handshakes to referees - it's a ****ing handball decision that we didn't get, and there's been similar, if not worse calls made in football in the last several years.
    Reid, who was hardly popular, said that so people like you, permanently embittered about the past, would lap it up and use crayons to make another banner.

    I assume you agree with everything that anyone connected to Celtic says? Or do you just agree with the stuff that fits your own clouded views? I take it when Rangers or another team crows about supposed bias or cheating, you scoff at their claims?
     
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    You couldnt be more wrong about me, i just am sick to my back teeth of us not getting a fair deal! if you dont agree, thats fine. I suppose you think we get treated exactly the same as the huns do then.
     
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    No, I just think it's being overblown. There's awful decisions made in football all the time, not just in the Scottish Leagues. If anything, we probably get an easier ride than the smaller teams we play, but that's just my opinions.

    I just don't think these decisions are made because of anti-Celtic bias and cheating - they're down to incompetence from officials and because our governing body is run by halfwits and has been for years.
     
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    Like i said, generations of Celtic fans have imagined all this and you're right.

    Gotcha!
     
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    Oh aye, generations of Celtic fans, they're absolutely correct and the census you've clearly taken showing this will also prove the abundance of outright cheating and bias that Celtic have had to valiantly battle against for over half a century.

    Oh sorry, what's that? You can only speak for yourself...well fancy that.
     
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    So "nothing to see here Timmy" is that it? i'm afraid it's you that sounds like the hun :)
     
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    <laugh>

    To the party line jiffy ya Hun **** ...

    We're never defeated ... Always cheated

    It's a Masonic conspiracy to stop us winning trebles
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    This ...

    Even the epl with it's billions has ****e refs , what do you expect in spl.
    It's incompetence from top to bottom.
     
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