Off Topic Great Britain General Election May 7th 2015.

Sadly the policies falter once they get into office. Most anyways, breadcrumbs is all that's left for you voters.


Voting is taking part in a broken system. You can't reform a broken system from within.

Try fixing a flat tyre without getting off the bike like

It can only be fixed from outside the system, true grass roots reform, but the political class would never allow it to happen.

We need talented administrators with proven CVs not flashy talking charming liars

 

We have to much interference from Govt in this country, too many hasty party decisions that end up hitting the Statute book

The American system is far better, as the Senate strangles Congress and as a result they get far less politically driven policies making it into law. The Lords should be elected non party aligned members who can over rule crap decisions that bounce through from Parliament

 

I see where you are going, and it makes sense, only thing is, the senate and house of reps are all bought. Not only that, if you are not bent, no one will trust you, that's how the whole bent system keeps everything under wraps, everyone is bent.

In politics the first thing you have to do is sell your soul to the devil cos if you don't you will be an outcast.

 

My beliefs certainly haven't changed,I've just become even more left wing the older I get

 

in 2010 lobbyists spent 4 billiion lobbying congress in the US

With that kind of goodwill buying, what the **** is left for the voters?

AIPAC boasted in 2009 that they could get 70 senators to sign a napkin right there and then.
#reality

 

I think there still are some genuine politicians out there. People who are determined to make a difference and have a desire to make society better and fairer for all. People like Tony Benn, Michael Foot and John Smith all come to mind.

We need more like them though, credible passionate MP's are in short supply!

 

See it didn't take the Tory Toffs too long into the campaign (when the polls just wouldn't shift in their favour, 'natch) and go for Dacre's "Son of a Commie, Jewish immigrant who hated this country" button (even though he fought for this country in WWII, whilst Dacre's father was a conscientious objector).

Well if people want to get dirty and spiteful, how many times, when discussing the NHS, does Cameron take out an onion and vomit up the story of his poor son, Ivan? Rather misses the point, saying how he could never, ever hurt the NHS after the treatment that Ivan was given; knowing that if the NHS was abolished tomorrow, the immensely wealthy Cameron family would still get the same treatment themselves through private insurance, and he damn well knows it.

 

To get rid of a £160 billion deficit in one term would mean real austerity on a scale that has not been experienced yet! Whether you want to hear it or not we are over £1.5 trillion in debt and some tough choices need to be made. Any party that doesn't spell that out and only talks superficially about how we are going to get out of this mess are doing the country a disservice, whatever colour the rosette.

 

FFS people are living longer and so you cannot expect the youth of today to pick up the social care bill for someone who potentially is going to have a longer retirement than working life. At least comment on reality.

 

I agree it is cringeworthy to see Cameron doing it. That said, in the interests of balance, the wealthy Milliband family will also get the same treatment through private insurance.

 

Our GDP is @ £2.2 trillion, and £500bn of that debt was accrued bailing out the ****ing banks. Almost every country in the modern world runs at a deficit of @ half its GDP, and that's what it would be without the half trillion the banks cost us. If you really want austerity on 1930's terms, you'll get 1930's results - no-one will have any money to spend (except the rich) and the economy, especially the service sector which accounts for 75% of our GDP, would freefall.

We all rely on benefits and subsidies in a mixed economy (and don't forget that over half of benefits go on pensioners and those in work), whether we directly receive them or not. I do think I've seen more stimulus to the economy through benefits and subsidies than the half trillion gobbled up by those bankers we can't do without, apparently.

 

Haven't heard Miliband's similar weep story, tbh.

 

Didn't say he has a weep story, but then you know that.

 

I think this is the problem with politics. People like you voting for the same tired parties regardless of the current situation of the country, or the party and without holding them accountable when they **** up. Labour or the Tories can bend the country over and yet the same idiots vote them back in a few years later, all is forgotten, all is forgiven.

It's stubborn, "I'm a good person because I vote xyz" voters like yourself that have ****ed this country and allow the two party system to survive. We won't get a viable alternative when the sheep are happy to fall in line, automatically agree with policies just because of the colour of the tie the man saying them is wearing and automatically disagree with the opposite colour.

 

People treat it like football; you've got your team and can't ever change colours!

 

My ex-mother-in-law used to read all the leaflets, watch the TV debates - then vote for the best looking bloke (would never vote for a woman, ever). Democracy has its flaws - "The worst system in the world, apart from all the others", according to Churchill - but it is was it is.

 

I live in the real world Philo and no matter how many times I've heard the present government tell me just how much im better off under them than I was under the previous government its just not true,
Library closures
Swimming baths and other sports amenities closed
Less police officers to deal with crime
Local waste services cut
Less Fireman and equipment
Social care cuts
Fewer nurseries
Cuts to the education system


That might not the case for you but when the government slash the local government funding its no surprise that it'll have a knock on effect to the detriment of people both financially and socially.

But if you want to blow Cameron's trumpet feel free.

 

Some very unpalatable decisions had to be taken and will still need to be taken. Otherwise the burden on the young will be unbearable.

The older generation benefitted from a housing boom who have made them very rich. They had privatisation which only benefitted them, not the one before or the one after as all the assets were sold within a narrow period: water, electricity, gas, telephones, airports, airlines, railways, engineering (BAe,rolls Royce) basically the whole family silver.

They are also living longer into their 80s. And therefore disease of old age such as cancer and dementia are getting more common and need huge amount of resources to deal with.

Both parties have been too cowardly for ages to take the difficult decisions. Those who say we should be entitled to retire at 50 are just totally ignorant or trying to wind people up. The next generation are struggling to keep the pensioners funding going. Increasing the retirement age to 68 is only the first step. Final salary pensions have become unaffordable. Universal state pensions will soon be and replaced by selective or targeted pensions for those who need it .

The politicians should treat people as adults. If taxes need going up, the people should be told. If taxes or uni fees need to go up why can't the political parties just admit it? At least they'll be given credit for being honest.

 

Hahaha was she American mate?

 

Worse. From Ellesmere Port.