Off Topic Warky's Political Bollyx Thread

KIO We tend to agree on most things out side of Football

 

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You can just imagine the economic mess this country would be in if this guy became Chancellor!

 

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I really don't think UKIP will win any more seats than they already have.. They may have some gains within a number of constituencies but I'd even stick my neck out and say I'd put money on them only gaining 1 seat at most..

Completely agree The reason I have swerved political discussions (on here) before is due to never voting, I have never shown a passionate interest and the desire to delve into the deepest & darkest areas of politics. My motivation is (quite selfishly) who will ensure that my job is going to be most secure... Though I wouldn't like to say anyone can say that (or maybe even keep their promises)

Again, I agree. 'Red Ed' was an unnecessary gamble that could cost Labour. if it wasn't for lobbying the unions it probably would have been a walkover for David and possibly a party leader that the joe public could get behind.

As for the runners & riders. All politicians are smarmy, untrustworthy and downright despicable people, but it comes down to who does it best and (currently) Dave's PR spin and professional persona comes across marginally better than the hapless fool of Ed

 

This Election is already shaping up to be the most 'negative' yet in the tactics that all political parties seem comfortable employing. Each day is going to be wearying parade of 'what do the polls say' and a 'political gaffe clockwatch', among others. The Conservatives, in particular, are guilty of running a really negative campaign. When Parliament is dissolved, the Prime Minister has never criticised an opponent on the steps of Downing Street, but David Cameron makes a petty comment about Miliband. I don't know if it's because Cameron is 'scared' of Miliband (as some people suggest) or if we should expect such a thing from a desperate, snidey, privately-educated bully that he has proved himself to be on several occasions.

Put simply, I struggle to see how the Conservatives are winning in some of the opinion polls. This is a Prime Minister who has broken almost every promise he's made, is responsible for falling living standards, a widening gap between the rich and the poor, and runs the economy on borrowed money. In fact, we have borrowed more than the last Labour government, one of his main arguments against his predecessors. Cameron says he will axe a further £12bn from the welfare budget, but doesn't explain where £10bn of that will come from. We know he has an ideological desire to diminish the state as much as he can. Today, he didn't confirm he was going to invest money into the NHS. Give him another five years and I dread to think what the state of our 'national health service' will be.

Cameron benefits from an easy ride from a mostly sycophantic national media. The 'debate' last week perfectly encapsulated that when Paxman and Kay Burley, both Tories, gave Miliband a much harder time than Cameron. Miliband unsurprisingly came off better than expected because he wasn't being viewed through the prism of a right-wing press, whose owners are clearly looking out for themselves as they know they'll have to contribute more towards our country's future in the event of a Labour government.

It might surprise some of you, but I've never voted Labour before. Admittedly I've only been eligible to vote since the 2010 General Election, so I've only voted in a few elections, but I'm seriously considering voting Miliband, if anything because, for me, he represents the 'best of a bad bunch' policy. He has morals and I don't think any right-thinking, moralistic human can convincingly argue against the main thrust of his arguments. I'd trust him to deliver a fairer society rather than Cameron, Farage, or Clegg.

 

We are all set to give your man the bum's rush up here in Waveney Warky!

 

I bet you loved old Jim Prior didn't you mate.

 

A lovely Gent. I was invited to a Tory fund raising social when he was N.I. secretary and got quite matey with his protection team. A couple of them came to mine for dinner and one of them said "We told him the other day he was a soft target and poked him in the belly" Apparently Jim laughed like a drain!

 

Agree with most of that. The longer this coalition has been in power the more I wonder what would have been the case if the Lib Dems weren't restriciting some of the Tory policies. They'll only drift more and more to the right to appease UKIP and the back benchers.

Camerons remarks on Miliband is another addition to a list of strange things he's done. It's plain he despises Miliband, and is very uncomfortable facing this election knowing he might never lead a majority government. From worming his way out of any productive TV debates to running a campaign where the personality mud slinging is so high on the agenda.

But it is clear politics has changed irreversibly. The Lib Dems going into coalition created a vacuum in the 3rd party role, which has been 'filled' by UKIP/SNP - with obvious impacts on Labour and the Conservatives.

I'll probably end up voting Green. Natalie Bennett evidently doesn't interview very well and a lot of the Candidates will be very inexperienced politically, but its the general gist of their policies which Im voting for, not the people.

I think come the end of May Cameron will be PM of a minority government, he'll bring forward a referendum on EU membership to win support of any UKIP MPs though I get the impression Conservatives will be the largest party but the left of centre parties together (Green, SNP, Lab, Plaid) will have the majority of seats - and the fixed term parliament act will be sorely tested.

 

Vote Green get Cameron. You clearly recognise just how despicable he is,Man up and do something about it!

 

Think I'll vote Green too then....

 

I realise that might be the case, but it all just feeds into the one vote can't make a difference mindset that has/had us stuck with the two main parties. Although in saying that I also realise my green candidate doesn't have a chance of winning and I havdn't discounted voting labour, but I don't think I can vote tactically (Redditch is 102 on Labours target list anyway, and I cant see a 102 seat swing). I'm of the opinion that even if it doesn't win them seats a vote for Green will help them win more national media coverage.

Once upon a time a vote for SNP in Scotland would have been "wasted"

 

Suffice to say Nuggs that I disagree entirely with you on just about everything you say!

 

A good old fashioned Heathite Wet

 

The focus on the economy is getting rather tedious now, the Cons were always going to look good in this area of the debate in the run up to the election, after all they have ravaged most other areas of public services to get the economy "back on track".
I am sure Cameron will not be feeling so smug once the attention turns to healthcare, police and other public services....least he will be able to fall back on how well his immigration policy has panned out!

 

I know you do Warky, and vice versa (when it comes to politics).

 

Ipswich is 34th on Labour's target seats list and will need a 4.4% Swing to unseat the Conservative incumbent. It's not impossible but I can't see a 4.5% Swing to Labour in such a tight election.

If you live in Suffolk nuggs and out side of Ipswich your vote wont count for very much! They don't count the Tory vote in Suffolk, they weigh it!

 

It may have conveniently escaped your notice that Gordon Brown ran up the biggest Government deficit in peace time history and that is why it is taking a long time to recover. Brown sold off our Gold reserves at rock bottom prices against all the advice from his civil servants at the Treasury.

Under this Government the lowest paid have been taken out of Income TAX altogether and 1.85 Million Jobs have been created over 5 years.Just this week we have seen over a Billion Pounds of inward investment within the Automotive industry as just one example of our growing economy. As sure as night follows day If Labour get in again they will crash the economy like they always do.

 

You don't need to say all that JWM. "Under this government the lowest paid have been taken out" will suffice..