Duckenfield

Just ****ing ban the ignorant, bigoted **** please.

 

Where that photo is taken from is where my mate and his missus were sitting on that day

 

There are plenty of statements which state that there were groups of ticketless fans intent on causing bother to get in, but as usual it's blame everyone else but me, it's the same all over the country, no social responsibility at all, blame it on the police, bankers or the government rather than face up to it. You're a fantacist if you think your supporters in 1989 were really well behaved and doing everything the authorities were asking of them to avert the tragedy, rather than antagonise them and block everything they tried to do, which was exactly how it was at pretty much every ground I've been to. The mentality of football crowds and the police at the time meant something like this was always bound to happen sooner or later, and to lay the blame everywhere else and not accept the culpbablity of your own fans in what happened after is cowardly tbh. Anyone who went to football matches during the 80's will know exactly what it was like, goodwill to all men it most certainly was not.

This was a tragedy caused by three things, not just two as you would like everyone to believe. And as for Duckenfield, if you really want to look for someone to blame then you should really be looking higher up at who put someone so ill-equipped to cope into such a position, I can understand why he lied, he probably didin't want to admit the truth to himself, and in that he doesn't seem to be alone.

 

Our moronic visitor must never have been to a match in his life if he doesn't

A, believe that a lot of fans of ALL clubs go for a pre-match pint

And

B, believe that fans of all semi finalists and finalists never turn up in the hope of buying a ticket on the day.

 

We had the Leppings Lane end the year us and Arsenal played the 3 replays, even then the police herded everyone down the tunnel into the central pens(which are locked)and it was impossible to move sideways or turn around, but we could see that the pens either side were reasonably empty by comparison, I think back then SYP liked to cause pain and anguish at Hillsborough, Spurs fans were lucky a disaster never befell them at Hillsborough a couple of years before 89.

I wonder if Miggins reckons the crushed and injured Spurs fans were pushed forward by ticketless, drunken Liverpool fans even though we weren't playing them that day.

 

I'm glad they were in a safe area.

This ticketless argument is just absurd on so many levels. Officers on duty outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles reported very few examples at all. It's highly likely that a few fans did arrive ticketless because it happens at almost any game, but the idea of hundreds [or as the troll said, thousands] of ticketless fans is a wild guess. Even if there were, how could anyone know for sure? They were hardly likely to advertise the fact.

Did the police at Hillsborough that day manage to search all of the fifty thousand or so supporters before they even reached the stadium, without filtering them into queues first? More to the point, having found out that many of them didn’t have tickets, they then just shrugged their shoulders and let them all in? That sounds more than a little implausible, and yet mysteriously, less than ten minutes after the referee had stopped the game, Duckenfield was able to announce to the chief of the FA that hundreds of fans had forced their way in without tickets. How exactly did he know whether they had tickets? As he has now admitted, he didn't. He simply made it up in a moment of panic. If they all had tickets would it have affected the outcome? If nobody had tickets would it have affected the outcome? No and no. They were all herded into a space too small to contain them.

 

And the people in the link Biggins posted made their statements after all the lies about drunkenness, tickeless fans, charging at the gates etc were given by the police.


#subliminalbrainwahingformugs

 

And what doesn't add up literally is, if there were thousands of ticketless fans, how come the Leppings Lane end was under capacity on the day [bearing in mind our allocation for the stand was 10,100 and estimates for the day put the figures around 9,700 - 10,000] ?

 

The last bit in that link he posted says it all -

The court heard that the witness wrote a questionnaire for the Taylor Inquiry saying: "I believe that the cause of this tragedy was due to drunken Liverpool supporters forcing their way in."
The barrister continued: "You agreed with me a little earlier that you were never anywhere outside the Liverpool end of the stadium."
"No. No I wasn't," he said.
Mr Weatherby quizzed him: "How on earth would you know that then?"
He replied: "Well I suppose it was what I'd heard in the press and on TV."

Condemning people on hearsay - a very dangerous path to tread but as you already pointed out he's a BIGOT and I'm not wasting any more time on his hate talk.

 

No, he has you for company.

 

He can't answer that one, and he won't, I quoted the higher of the three HSE estimates that put the shortfall at 100; for God's sake don't confuse him with the 300 estimate as he'll just tell you that he went to football in the 80's and all fans, especially Liverpool ones, were universally drunken and ticketless. The irony is that this mindset is the police's excuse as to why they were woefully unprepared to discharge their fundamental duty of care to those to whom they'd been entrusted to do.

 

That were all presented to the Taylor report by the police but discounted because there was neither any evidence to back up the numbers alleged, nor anything to counter the main findings that the fundamental cause of the overcrowding was that although there was room for 10,100 fans and there was in total only 10,000 AT most either in the end or outside at the time of the crushing, the central two pens were grotesquely overcrowded due to catastrophically bad crowd control by those responsible for it.

 

My mate gave me a copy of the written evidence he submitted to Taylor.He wrote about watching the pens filling up.

 

Does your cursor jump about like mine does on my old laptop? Not an Advent Monza is it, by any chance?

But yeah, he even admitted 26 years ago that he saw what was happening in front of his eyes, but he just couldn't recognise it for what it was and react accordingly (like a ****ing Chief Super in charge of crowd control for a major sporting event is supposedly trained and paid to do) and simply assimilated into his pre-conceived mindset that any crowd disturbance must equal some sort of hooliganism.

 

Has anything been said about Chief Inspector Denton? It was his team that doctored the police statements.

 

I'm using my phone,it's a ****ing pain in the arse

 

Either you are wumming which is really low, or you are incapable of believing you had the wool pulled over your eyes!

You are trying to attach culpability to fans who just wanted to get to the game and were failed by the people who's job it was to protect and organise them. Essentially you are saying that the fans are to blame because they turned up to the game which is stupidity of the highest order. What's patently clear is that those in control of the situation that day would have been out of their depth if they were stewards at the game let alone commanders and it was a failure of the whole force to ensure that the people there were capable of handling the situation.

If you were walking on the pavement and a car hit you, would you would be to blame for being in its way?

 

I hope the filthy, horrible **** doesn't darken the doors of this forum again. What an ill-informed ****er

 

He won't

 

Unfortunately he won't be the only ill-informed bigot out there. We've already had a rival on here, mature and open minded enough to say he believed the lies at first but on hearing the evidence and admittance of lies, together with real information, has made his own mind up and reversed his original opinion. The ones who continue to believe the lies are the ones who've already made their [closed] minds up and are happy in their hatred. What a waste of human brainpower!