Morning all I think we can only talk about how many players we are off promotion when we have seen who we have gotten rid of at the end of the season. I agree with Ristac we need to see more of the loanees but have to disagree that they are on their way out because I think they'll be kept on for the future
The way I see it (with regards to the loan players): Bamba: Must be signed, if only on a one-year rolling contract. Cellino would be mad not to. N'Goyi: Signing an injured player on loan was a bit stupid. Not sure if we're paying his wages/what percentage we're paying, but it's money down the drain at this point. Can't imagine he'll sign unless he's fully fit and playing before the end of the season. Adryan: Based on performances and the rumoured £3m permanent fee, I'd imagine not, but Cellino's a massive fan so I'd guess this is fairly likely. Cani: Needs to be given a fair chance, but from the little I've seen I can't see him being here next year. Montenegro: Again, needs a chance, but unlikely to be here next season. Can only assume Redders doesn't think he's ready. Benedicic: Sounded promising, but he's been injured for most of the season and didn't look particularly good at the start when he did play. Waste of wages, again (assuming we're paying them). Del Fabro: Deserves a chance, and probably should have been given a chance earlier in the season, but it's going to be difficult to get in ahead of Bellusci, Bamba and Cooper. If Cellino actually prioritises positions and players rather than signing anyone he likes, I doubt Del Fabro will be too high up on the list. I could see Del Fabro and Adryan signing on loan again next season, and Bamba being made permanent.
Bianchi, Duke and Antenucci are all on contracts Elland, so they won't be going anywhere soon. I personally wouldn't get rid of them three. Anti is a good striker as he's proved, just been let down by a blind coach. Duke is only 23 and as we've seen can score goals when we have a midfield that provides good service. Bianchi is a good all round midfielder, he's good at breaking up attacking play, passes well, and has consistent accuracy; he's an unsung hero who goes about his job without seeking plaudits. I don't think Berardi will go anywhere either, he's on a two year contract. He's a good defender, both RB and LB but RB is his best position. Very few goals have been scored down his side when he's played. I rate him above Wooton. Most fans who hate Cellino seem to hate / dislike his signings too, can't see why, they've done nothing to those certain fans.... Benedicic may go because of his injury and op. White is still young, he's excellent at running at defenders and can cross a ball too, some say his final pass or distribution is suspect, but for me no more suspect than the inaccurate and no where passes we see from our present midfield; I'd like to see him get a 12 month contract to prove himself once his injury is fully cleared up. I suspect, and only suspect at this stage that Cellino will keep the majority of his signings from overseas, he brought them here for a reason. If Redders plays too many kids then we become way too lightweight, inexperienced and lack technical, tactical, positional and psychological ability plus, if he hasn't already, he'll end up splitting the dressing room, again. I also suspect that both Cellino and Salerno can see what Redders has, and is doing with players.
Sorry LL White's time has gone. He's had enough time to prove himself and failed. We don't want another Ben Parker on our hands either. We don't want a player who is constantly injured and he's taking up wages, let's face it we can spend that cash on another player
Agree with this one KIWI, Del Fabro got a lot of plaudits for his performance against Sunderland, he showed what he can do and is capable of. Good signing for the near future. I personally think we should wait a few more games before making a decision on Bamba, he's 30 years old and we've seen a mediocre game and a bad game from him, very good on his day, but so are most of our players. Should be interesting to see who Redders replaces with N'Goyi if and when he becomes fit. Which ever way we look at it, it's got to be one of his favourites. Adryan and Monty should stay, both would be excellent signings for next season. Monty is a winger and a striker, Adryan can play anywhere from left to right across the midfield and, can shoot. Adryan has skills we need around the midfield area and he definitely ain't scared to push forward. Both players are young and can be valuable for us. I doubt the midfield we have now is going to be the same midfield next season, unless Redders is still coach. In reply to your "I know LL doesn't rate Cook" it's not that I don't rate him, he started off very good, as most players do, but he's come back to the fold. Cooks performances are not that good recently and I just can't see what impact Cook brings to the team; I can see Byrams, to a certain extent I can see Mowatts, although he lacks pace and his performances haven't been brilliant of late, but Cook doesn't seem to bring any impact, there's no umph, no bite, no venom. I personally believe that Cook has an emotional following because of his age. I personally believe that Cook, Mowatt and Byram need a better coach to be able to advance up a few levels, Redders doesn't seem to be able to do it. It's all well and good saying, Pearce, Warnock, Morison, Sharp, Austin, Cook, Mowatt etc put in a good shift, but if they don't create the impact that we still need, then it doesn't really create anything for the team. Pearce and Warnock gone, we've stopped leaking as many goals, Sharp and Morison up front, we're not scoring as many goals as when Anti and Duke were our strike pair. There's no malice in that by the way Kiwi, but I have a dozen custard tarts at the ready just incase........I might add a few kiwi fruits just to be a funny bugger...
Del Fabro should be signed, but only if he's happy to be fourth choice. He may have a good future but he's got a long while to go before he leaps over Bellusci and Cooper. As for Bamba, I think he'd be a top signing. He had a poor game vs Watford, but the whole team were average at best. Very good player. As for N'Goyi, he sounded great but signing him when he's injured made little sense. I'd imagine he'd replace Austin though. Adryan, I've made my opinions on him clear already. Evidently talented, but drifts in and out and doesn't affect the game as well as he could. Nice touches but loses possession and I think that appalling dive vs Derby made me lose a lot of respect for him. Monty should definitely be given a chance but you can't really suggest he'll be an excellent signing based purely on the fact he plays wide. He should be given game time and then an opinion can be formulated. To be fair, I wasn't around much at the start of the season so I didn't realise your opinions of Cook had changed, my mistake Personally I think Cook is excellent. He's very composed on the ball, he presses well, keeps the ball well in tight areas. His passing isn't always perfect and he does lose possession, but if he was perfect at 17 he wouldn't still be playing for us, simple as that. The only way he's going to improve is by playing games. He does need a rest though. Mowatt does lack pace but Lampard never had much; there's ways around it. Shouldn't be played out wide though, that's a position where pace does help. I think Cook and the other academy products do have an emotional following because they've come through the academy, you're right. Does it not make you proud that we've got four academy products starting every week and plenty more fighting to come through though? Every club's fans love a home grown player, simple as that. Again, I agree, a better coach would probably be able to coax more out of them, but who are you expecting to get? We have an owner who has a reputation for sacking managers left right and centre and his previous two appointments scrapped one league win between them. I'd take Redfearn over Hockaday and Milanic every day of the week. You need players who can put in a shift every week. No point having a team of Adryan's. You do need some players who will put in a solid 6/7 out of 10 every game. Like an Andy Hughes. Obviously you don't want a team of Hughes' either (although personally, being a massive Hughes fan, I would love that), because as you said, you wouldn't create any real impact. No player is going to play well every single week, especially the young ones. If they were, they wouldn't be plying their trade in the Championship. The key is to ensure they still put in a shift when their touch is letting them down or their shots aren't finding the target. Sharp and Morison aren't (or at least shouldn't be!) a long term striking solution. Antenucci's done okay this year, but was deservedly dropped for some poor performances. Same as Doukara. We were losing games and on a terrible run when we were playing them. They weren't scoring, we weren't winning. Redfearn resorts to Morison on his own up front and we win a few games. Sometimes when you're staring relegation full in the face you have to do whatever it takes to get results, and we did that. Now's the time to reintroduce Antenucci and Doukara, but I have no qualms about dropping them because they were both very poor at the time. Ant in particular is a good player, but if the system and the players aren't getting you points, you need to be able to find a system that can get you points. Redfearn did that. By pot luck, yes, but still. You know I've got no issue with you mate, it's interesting how two fans can watch the same games and the same players and draw such different conclusions
I cant see how anyone rates Bianchi. Our form picked up when he was forced out by injury and to me he adds nothing. Thats managers spin that he does all the unseen graft and in this case IMO is bollocks As for Doukara and Antenucci there the victim of a system that happens to work for us. Antenucci, I have heard is also on a rather large goal bonus which is going to make him more frustrated if he is not starting and possibly more greedy when he does. White can go, he hasnt managed to hold down a place or position under any coach. As for Ajose, lets have a real good look at him in pre season. I think he was very hard done by in his time here and hes banged 8 in for a struggling crewe.
There's always going to be different opinions on matches kiwi, that's what makes for good debate and banter. Me and you are similar in that we like to write in depth comments, it creates a big or bigger picture for others to read and reply to if they wish. Question, are you a Kiwi living in England, or just liked the name kiwi?
Childhood nickname; the first two letters of my first name and the first two letters of my last name = kiwi. Not as exciting as it sounds, unfortunately!
If two quality strikers don't get us up automatically then all these others you keep telling me are the dogs bollocks are anything but.
Evening all. I actually do think we're only about 3 players short of being a good side who can get promotion. We need someone who will get selected to play out wide. We need some experience in CM. And we need someone to push Sharp & co & be capable of scoring 20 or so goals. When the club look to next season, it'll be interesting to see which of the foreign imports survives. Silvestri will be one. Belusci will be another. Adryan might well be another, as he has the potential to have a significant season next year now that he's got used to lifein the Championship But who of the others do we think will be retained?
