Or stick your fingers in your ears like your doing cos you dont like people asking nasty questions. Dutch got no end of abuse on here about the seat move and lack of support from ctwd before people saw what he was getting at. PLT's views are well known on here and ive applauded him for being honest and holding those views. But he is now on the trust committee. Someone holding his views cant seriously want to work with the Allams, as the trust purports to do, can they? We've seen what get Gretton thinks. I was told by olm exiled wasnt involved and laughed at about it. Seems he is now heavily involved. He also wants Allam to **** off. Can you see where I'm going with this? Arent these legitimate questions?
Oh that's great news, the board is completely different to the 2 previous ones? Genuinely surprised and pleased at that. So different people put themselves forward at the meeting, or do you mean the same people are on the board, just in different roles? Or in fact, is it just 1 or 2 new faces in the Fellowship of 10, i.e. you? How many people were there? A room full of people doesn't mean much. It's normal to count the attendees at an AGM so there should be an accurate figure available.
Agreed. It doesn't seem to be set up to support the majority of the supporters, its now got a major Anti Allam board/committee/whatever, yet will continue to spout the same lies about supporting the owner, wanting to work with him. Its frustrating because this is a huge, missed opportunity. No doubt everyone else will get the blame for this, with the banal "you should join and stand for the committee" bollocks. People will not join when it's clearly being run by people with the types of agenda we KNOW they have, and yeah, for me, 1 or 2 new faces that includes Mr Anti Allam PLT, really finishes off any hope this ST can actually do anything remotely worthwhile.
I didn't think i had my fingers in my ears, I don't really care how many were at the first meeting. It matters that there are some people who care enough to do something. The seat move was a done deal by the club. At that time CTWD was a protest group against the name change, there was no way on earth the club would negotiate with them re the seat move. I said at the time that those in E1 to E3 were been sent to the naughty corner off screen. And as said the club just did it. Are all those involved really anti Allam or just against some of his mad dictorial ideas. Those getting involved like them or not, want the best for fans and club. Only the club can decide if it want to listen.
The club were dealing with a fair number of individuals, others would have liked help didn't feel able to act. All that would have been needed was a central point of contact and those already involved could have acted on behalf of the others. It would have been a win for the club, the group and the fans. It was a massive opportunity missed, and has cost them members and support. If your argument is the club wouldn't communicate with fans if CTWD are involved, what makes you think they will now?
I may be wrong but I still believe the move was done out of spite and hate against those in the East stand singing CTWD and bannergate. The club picked up on previously suggested moves to the North stand and acted, why at such short notice ( just a couple of weeks before the season ticket cutoff date ) The club shafted the fans in E1 to E3. Talking to a fair number of individuals was a token jesture. No way would the club have communicated with CTWD at that time. So that was the past, now we no longer have CTWD we have a supporters trust with a much wider remit ( the best for fan and club ) its now up to the club if they want to listen to active passionate supporters.
The reason for the move is largely irrelevant, the fact is the club were talking to numbers of individuals, so dialogue was certainly possible. It needed coordinating, which shouled benefit all. You can't dismiss it and try to move on if no lessons have been learned from something that cost the club and the group supporters. I still don't see how you can argue that the club refused to deal with the group then, yet think they will with the renamed group.
Yes they are. You wont get anyone more anti than plt. Which is why I'm asking the question. Exiled too, wants the Allams to **** off and give, yes give, the club to the supporterswhile writing off any debts. Do they want the best for the club or the best for themsen? That fits in nicely with the seat move too... Agendas eh
The club already communicates with prominent CTWD people through the fans working group, they don't have any problems with that as all parties realise they have the same ultimate goal - to benefit club and supporters. James Mooney knows what I think of the owners but that doesn't stop either of us having dialogue. There are too many on here who are looking to criticise people who give up their time for a cause they are passionate about, but are unwilling to get involved themselves. HCST can only ever hope to represent the views of their members, it can never represent every City fan and would never claim to do so.
He may communicate with people who are members on some minor individual issues, but they don't communicate with the group, and have said they won't. It leaves us with a collection of individuals, not a group. They also represent their members, on issues the committee have decided. They can't represents members yet, as thry've only just got them. All an opinion can be based on is past experience. My past experience isn't positive.
How the **** would I know? OLM said 10% of shareholders, and I said a room full which is all I know. 53 is probably close to the figure. Allam didn't turn up this time so my opinion of him hasn't changed.
That's for the trust to show that they are different and can be a benefit for fan and club. Also needs the club to listen.
Of course there'll be an accurate figure available, but not every attendee counts and records that figure. It'll be announced I'm sure.
Re: your reply edited in my quote. Committee members on HCST supported the move. I agree, they need to show they're different. Can you point to where they've done that? Given it's known the club won't deal with them, can you point me at how they plan to address that?
So you admit you dont want to work with him at all? I no you dont so why put yourself forward when that is a stated aim of the trust.
I dont post much but read regularly. To answer a few points there were over 60 attended the AGM. I know as I signed everyone in! Balkan Tiger has answered the usual negativity above so I'm not repeating that and I can only answer for my own involvement. If fans want change they should take some action not bleat on forums. Dutch acted over seat moves he's also on the club's FWG. The FWG is a slight attempt, so far, to consult fans but to be fair to James Mooney he has to act within his employers guidelines. I got involved with fans groups 2 years ago because of WYP/ Huddersgate and was struck by how closely HTST worked with club and Police. I want that for City fans and only HCST can deliver that but It will never happen unless a large majority of fans join, then give there views and steer those elected on what fans want. That's why I'm one of the ten who put themselves forward to work with HCST The club can't ignore us if that happens but we need more than the 650+ members we have now. As for being anti Allam some are, for the record I'm only anti name change & still appreciate him saving the club but I don't agree with his methods or stubbornness. Oh and finally have a read if this! http://hullcitysupporterstrust.com/18000-donated-to-charity-and-community/
Asking questions is "usual negativity" no it isnt. Asking questions is "bleating", no it isnt. Fair play to you for stating your point of view. Giving money to charity and publicising it!! Tut tut Charon will be fuming about this.
