http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...g-top-of-a-club-with-no-visible-strategy.html "The ultimate test of the club culture, though, is away from home, where QPR [and their fans] are flaky."
100% correct but things could be worse We could of become a dull giant machine with societies sheep as a fan base
Thanks for that Gary. Kind of you to climb into us supporters with your sweeping statements. I doubt he has ever joined any away fans and sat with them on an away fixture to find out for himself. I suspect in Gary's world 'flaky' is defined as an absence of commissioning of planes; or failure to hold committees decreeing which banners can be displayed at the ground. Back to your telly tubby home now please Gary.
Ignoring the unsubtle and inaccurate dig, this is a very very good article. Sums it up perfectly for me. How I wish we could turn back time and not sack Warnock!
It hurts coming from a Manchester United ex-player and so a lot of people will just say his article is bollocks and write it off. But to be honest, he's got quite a lot of insight into our club. He hasn't got it 100% right and he's slightly defensive of Harry (although not completely). But he's right in kind of spelling out that the problem has been a naive set of owners who can't control the club. They are the ones that hire managers and give them a certain budget. They are the ones that need to protect our club. They haven't done it well enough, even though they have good dreams about QPR's future. We often say that their heart is in the right place but is that true? They may want success for QPR but maybe they're naive, spoiled, rich people who don't take the situation seriously enough? I support QPR!!!! Not the owners. If people are doing our club a disservice, I'd rather them piss off so that we can concentrate on having some integrity. I don't dislike Tony and co. But I simply have the clubs interest at heart. So I have no loyalty to any of the people involved in particular. Neville is spot on about when the bad changes first occurred (when Tony and co. bought out from Tango and Cash). He has some views that are quite insightful and he's done his homework, although he's got an outsider view on some things. I appreciate that he wrote this article and I hope our owners read it.
To be fair, Gary did say your home support can be good in big games (LFC and City) but the test of a club's culture is away from home. You guys and many other fans said the same thing about Fulham - their poor results away were linked to a weak club culture away from home. Fulham's flakiness away was down to poor away support and it ultimately saw them unable to maintain a place in the Premiership.
Spot on. The core values of the club have really been in a mess since our first relegation back in '96, I can't really think of us having much of a 'style' or 'culture' since back then, no players came through, managers and owners came and went. Tony and Co are just the latest in a long line of people without either the money, ambition or (currently) knowledge of basic football principles to succeed and bring about that QPR Identity which we all strive for. Tony and Co have just been sounded out more because A - football and the owners of clubs are far more in the media spotlight, as is the Premier League and B - The money being spent and gambles being made are far, far greater. The people in charge of the club are really those who need to change. Harry isnt going to and I feel that the next management change is the most important of all. We will most likely go down, so we need to look at the board to stop with the quick fixes, listen to the fans and build a long term strategy of development. If they cannot do that, I would honestly say thanks for the effort and let's try someone new.
I'd rather have 6 fans than a bunch of clowns claiming to support us like these clips!!;-) http://www.not606.com/threads/chelsea-melts.288891/#post-7498730
I don't see much wrong with this article - apart from the fact that he is unwilling to state the obvious facts that Redknapp, transfer window expectations and the temptations of being at the top table as a result of Sky financing and "tabloidization" of the game are all part and parcel of the lack of soul he talks about. His assessment of Fernandes and our support is spot on. The problem lies in the fact that everyone including most on here wants success immediately. My view has always been that for a club like ours patience and financial prudence should have been the buzz words not "ex-galactico" and "former International". If we had accepted the reality - that we should have been a yo-yo club and budgeted accordingly, saving money each year and investing it into the infrastruture of the club we would have been better served - a proper scouting network (as opposed to telephone numbers of the fattest, most repulsive agents the game has produced) and youth set up. We would be able to look forward to competing at the highest level in 4-5 years time. For someone who claims not to have been backed financially how is it that we had until January spent almost twice as much on players and wages this season as Leicester and Burnley? The players they have signed are indeed "good lads of the right sort" who will develop the quality of the teams they are joining. Did we not know about them? I suspect we did but the Board were advised that we know some good lads who have always done good for me but we need to pay what they want. Trust me Tone. The core of both teams are the same as the ones that took them up. If they go down, many will probably want to stay. Not for us sadly. We only ever seem to sign players with a glorious past and players fore one season. Little wonder that we need to buy a new team each year. How exactly do you generate that club spirit and togetherness by doing that?
This is one of the best most comprehensive articles about who and where we are right now. Sad reading. No Youth plan. No bringing cheap players through. No ambition away from home. And the players that we have bought that have flourished - have not been Sadface picks ... Buying twilight players and expecting anything but twilight performances
He He's not in anyway talking about the fan base you numpty. He is talking about style and method of play. Compares it to Burnley and they're 4-4-2 high pressing high tempo is their culture and halmark. We have something similar at home but on the bigger away pitches he correctly says, “you start seeing 3 at the back, diamonds and one striker" You misread it, and misinterpreted it. Just makes you look pretty stupid. In terms of the fans Neville is complementary about QPR. He talks about the passion and the atmosphere of the 2 games he has been to. You're basically the wealdstone raider of the not606 board and idiotically post on here along the lines of 'you got no fans'. Hang on a minute... genuine question. Are you the wealdstone raider?
Gary is a good analyst. Qpr have spent a lot of money since the Chris Wright days and keep on getting it wrong. The fans doom and gloom and constant criticism does not help. Look at Swansea fans, supporting their team through thick and thin, now reaping rewards
I think we're thinking along the same lines but I disagree that we've had no core values or culture since '96. There have been some great times supporting QPR since then and really feeling part of the club and what is going on. It's not always about the club. Sometimes it comes from the players and supporters. Even in our promotion season a few years back, there was a great feeling in the club, amongst the supporters. It breeds to the players and then breeds to the club. But this time we went through a big takeover where people wanted to stamp their own philosophy on the club. A happy club is one that is in tune with it's fans and finds it's own way of having success.
As someone who has been a passionate QPR fan and season ticket holder in League One, the Championship and the Premier League, I hope you don't mind when I politely ask you to piss off back to the hovel that you came from and don't come back?
Chelsea sold their soul and core values to a Russian gangster years ago, and we've tried to mimic that unfortunately. I know you'd long for those halcyon days sat in the crumbly bit of the shed, seig heiling with Hickey with 9000 other fans, as Chelsea lose to Blackburn.
