Monk: Lays down the Law on Lazy Shelvey

Regarding today's game, I was just pondering whether Monk might had emphasis to his statement by sitting him on the bench today and play Carroll with Ki and Sig. Tactically I think this is the strongest line-up anyway, but it would reinforce his message to Shelvey who might just be expecting to play.

I think Monk has two challenges in this Shelvey affair. The first is dealing with Shelvey and getting him on track. The second, no less important, is the signals that Monk sends to the rest of the squad. I'm hoping that Monk is conscious of this and pulls the right strings, the right way, to signal that neither he or nor the club accepts anything less than a total professional focus and discipline from each player. He could point to Ki as an example of a player who has raised his game to a new level.

 

I remember reading on here a few weeks back that someone posted that Monk was shouting instructions to Jonjo during a game and he wasn't listening/doing what Monk wanted him to do. IMO, I wouldn't be to fussed if he stayed or left at the end of the season. Monk has backed him into a corner, he either shapes up or ships out. If we had the option of selling Jonjo and buying Carroll tomorrow I'd snatch it with both hands.
As for Taylor, I have seen a great deal of improvement in him the past month, so I don't think its a fair comparison.

 

Surprised you took offence to my post TLF. Post was written, I thought, in a friendly tone and was not meant to be condescending at all. If I offended you then that's your problem as no offence was meant from me

'he is in Monks gang', I don't know what that means any more TLF, its lost its meaning now, if it ever had any to begin with. The comment says nothing and has even less meaning now as we and Monk are doing so well this year.

Back to the post, what I tried to address TLF was that Taylors cards have come directly from his attempting to do his job. He may well have got booked for 'diving in', miss timing tackles, blocking players runs etc, the list certainly does go on, but my point was and is, that Taylors indiscretions were committed through him attempting to do his job.

Conversely many of Shelve's bookings have stemmed from him not doing his job. A good example being him kicking the ball away after the ref blew for a free kick. It was a cheap bookings that had nothing to do with play but it put him under pressure for the rest of the game and eventually got him sent off I recall. We don't need this do we?

You have to admit TLF, Taylors game has improved as the season has progressed where as Shelvey's has deteriorated, taking him from a trusted regular to an untrusted bench warmer. We need him to be more than this.

 

Stumpy Taylor has improved but he is totally reckless, Williams Rangel and the other defenders have a lot less bookings and they are trying to do their job as well. Taylor needs to learn when to stand up instead of diving in, which he does with a reckless abandon.

 

After tonight I wouldn't give Shelvey another game in a Swansea shirt, the lad is a complete nutcase, hope we offload him ASAP!..............

 

Yup, time to sell him.

 

Garry Jonjo (but two times with Taylor)

 

I would rather bring back Pratley than see that idiot Shelvey in our shirt again, complete tosser that he is!................

 

There was nothing ambiguous or complicated about Monk's message to Shelvey. Based on today's performance Shelvey either didn't hear it, or didn't understand it, or couldn't remember it well enough to try it, or didn't give a **** about it. His performance today was a caricature of everything that Monk and most of us have been complaining about.

Playing him as he is now sends a terrible signal to other players in the squad. He is, IMO, unplayable. He offers no value on the field.

Shelvey is 22, going on 2, that runs like a 52 year old.

 

Yankee - yes it was unambiguous but Monk failed to follow uphis message by pulling him off at half time. So which message is he and we meant to believe?

 

He should have pulled him off after 30 minutes. That said, he shouldn't have started the useless ****er either.

 

It's like the teacher who threatens ridiculous punishments that can not be carried out to an unruly child - total loss of control and worse behaviour ensues.
After the public moans about referees I'd have thought Monk would have learned to be more careful with his public criticisms - he called out Jazz Richards following the Spurs game after saying he wouldn't mention any single player for criticism.
The longer the season goes on the more obvious it is that we are doing well because we have good players rather than a good manager.

 

Check these quotes out: http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30634753

With comments like these it's becoming apparent that Monk is not as in charge as he likes to think he is. At this point in the season the only question on a player's fitness should be injury related. And, if Shelvey had a lot of energy yesterday why wasn't he chasing and working the way Leon was - a player 10 years his senior. If this is the outside posture, which I always presume to be the tip of the iceberg, then what is it like on the inside. What are the other players seeing. Perhaps this is why the performance of Routs and Dyer have become below par also.

Perhaps our biggest problem was that Shelvey was one of our players "mostly on the ball". The more he gets it, the more he gets to give it away.

When Ki came on, Shelvey and Sig swapped positions on the field. Sig was deeper and Shelvey was further forward. Why was that necessary.

 

TBH I can understand (I think) why he started Jonjo after those comments, as Monk was probably hoping for a 'I'll prove you wrong' type of performance. However, we could see that after 25-30 mins, Jonjo was playing like we on here have criticised all season. This is when Monk should have hauled him off and shown that this type of performance isn't acceptable and if he doesn't listen to Monk and improve vastly then he will be leaving the club. This would have strengthened Monk's position at the club imo. I still don't understand why Ki wasn't brought on at least on half time. As a few have already mentioned, Leon ran his socks off covering the entire middle of the park.
Maybe it's time to move Jonjo, Dyer and Routs on in the summer as between the three of them, they contributed absolutely nothing to the game last night and haver been pants, since all the hype around England call ups.

 

He had a lot of energy because he was either standing still and throwing his arms in the air or was walking. He left Leon greatly exposed yesterday, exactly how he leaves Ki exposed. I hope Monk doesn't believe those comments and is just wumming to the press.

 

It's not only a fitness problem with Shelvey though, he's simply not very good. He's improved his touch and passing with you lot but is still imo a poor player technically add that to the suggested attitude problems Monk suggests and that's one hell of a crap player.

 

No disagreement other than I would not have started the game with Shelvey. Your point about hauling him off is well made and would have sent a strong message, but I don't think Monk has the intelligence to think that way.
Dyer is difficult one to be sure about, has missed playing regularly, did he not get the support he wanted from Jazz (TBH I thought they combined well a few times in a difficult first half) and how much does he need a playmaker to give him passes he can do something with (again Shelvey leaves doesn't offer those passes)?
What happens when KI is away is anyone's guess but I'd seriously think about dropping Siggy back and playing Emnes or (if fit and stories are true) Michu as Number 10. I no scenario would I play Shelvey and would be looking to off load him. Again, given Monk's comments would we get a decent offer?

 

He's well and truly on borrowed time now, it's not the first time he screwd up at your place for us, and the Jack army will not put up with a lazy player, sooner he's gone the better, Championship or maybe west ham...................

 

Pardew's gone to Palace, perhaps he'll take him. Didn't he deal with him at Charlton or am I thinking of somebody else.

 

Jonjo for Jonny in a straight swap? Deal