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So who still believes?

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Chippy / Glory, Dec 27, 2014.

  1. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    ok, I admit this is a bit of I told you so,

    Having watched us be " unlucky" again yesterday who if anyone still thinks we are better this year than we were last?
    On what basis?
    How many black cats crossed our path to make us this unlucky?
     
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  2. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Its not working ant thats patently obvious glory but the biggest problem is where is the solution going to come from? Youve stated elsewhere, Cellino out, Redders out, Silvestri out and understandably so. But who will their replacements be? GFH back in control, great. Next manager? Wholl pay the 1m a year a good one will cost. Thanks to gfh we cant sign anyone worth a ****e anyway. The problem is deeper my friend than just Cellino and Redders out and thats my big worry
     
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  3. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    Can't disgree Eire, but every journey starts with a first step...
    Would happily go backwards (kick Celino out, admin and start again). We can't carry on like this.
     
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  4. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Problem is not sure admin would happen. Gfh could borrow another stack of money against the club to keep it staggering along in a lower division
    No prospects of new signings and certainly not paying 2m a year rent in a near empty elland road. I don't know the solution either but I want to see the credentials of cellinos successor before wanting him out the door
     
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  5. LeedsLover

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    A lot of people seem to point the finger at Cellino and want to blame him, imo it's got nothing to do with Cellino.

    He brought the players in and got rid of the deadwood, or most of it up to now and we've seen these players play a brilliant game of football against Derby where everything seemed to click and the whole team played for each other, we've also seen Redders get 3 wins and 1 draw during his temp role; question is, what's gone wrong since Redders took over full time.

    My first worry when Redders took over was his academy players being his favourites, or the undroppables as I now call'em, with the exception of Mowatt getting subbed against Wigan; I come over all funny when Redders did that, most unexpected. Cook it seems can do no wrong in Redders eyes even though he doesn't play with the same impact as he did when he first started, he's come back to the fold so to speak. Byram is still not up to the standard as he was when he first started and seems to run hot and cold, granted it's a bit more hot than cold.

    Pearce shouldn't be in side, he's a weak link and a liability, but Redders still calls on him. Sharp is not up to scratch or has not got the pace any more, but Redders has called upon him yet again. Morison, the wandering nomad just does not fit in imo, but Redders calls on him from time to time and neither Sharp or Morison have taken their opportunities by the scruff of the neck.

    Redders talks about youth and giving them a chance, but he talks about his academy youths and not Monty or Del Fabro who I believe should be given their opportunities ahead of the academy boys, especially Monty as he seems to be a natural goal scorer, but to bring Monty on would mean sacrificing either Mowatt or Cook as Monty can play as an attacking mid or an out and out striker. Cook is not an attacking mid and Mowatt has lost some of his shine, neither seem to be playmakers in front of goal like Adryan. There's no doubt they both have talent, but lack experience. Redders seems to favour subbing Bianchi or Adryan rather than Mowatt or Cook.

    My second worry was Redders subbing abilities, let's be honest, they're no different to Darkos or the Hocks, with the exception that Redders leaves his academy boys on.

    The Wigan game was crying out for a playmaker, but Redders chose to drop Adryan, bad move imo, and Cook did not rise to the role, he had a bad game against Wigan. Berardi should come back into side and Byram tried in Cooks position; Berardi has had few scored against down his side when playing but, Byram seems to be targeted more by opposing teams on the attack, and many a winger are getting past him.

    I think imo, in the back of Redders mind he fears his academy boys will be upstaged by other players which makes him reluctant to replace or sub them.

    This is Redders first 1st team appointment, but I fear he still has his heart in the academy, which is being detrimental to team; I also suspect not everything is hunky dory in dressing room, there may be a bug in there. Redders needs to realise fast that he runs the 1st team now and not the academy; or the fans will begin to question his abilities, if they aren't already.
     
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    LeedsLover Well-Known Member

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    LeedsLover Well-Known Member

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    Sniffer,

    Redders best friend come in 2 weeks ago as number 2, although you can be forgiven for not realising it as he didn't make no impact.

    Copy and paste the link below, news now are pretty much always up to speed, it's very helpfull when you're not quite sure of some things or want to get up to date on others.

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Sport/Football/Championship/Leeds United
     
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  8. ristac

    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I don't understand why we can't still stand on our own two feet. Before everyone was blaming the 25% loan Bates took out on the season ticket sales, that finished and wasn't in force this season.

    Our gates are bigger than the majority of other teams in the division and we have shifted a LOT of players who were on decent wages and replaced them with cheaper options.

    What are we actually blaming GFH for this season? As far as I was aware they are taking a back seat, all the decisions are being carried out by Cellino, seriously, are we still losing £1m a month and if so where/why?

    I have to agree, he is worried about burning Adryan out yet Cook who is 17 plays far more games and Adryan doesn't get a full 90 minutes too often.
     
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  9. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    As we lost 1m a month under gfh it's difficult to see how that'll be turned around quickly. The accounts are available for past years ristac for those who want to see where the money went. What's comical though is people wanting highly paid English players and the accompanying transfer fees they attract and a top coach who'll get close on 1m a year but still want the club to make money
     
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  10. Penshawdave

    Penshawdave Well-Known Member

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    Well be ready for the real black cats next weekend in the FA Cup 3rd round at Sunderland. The one game
    I would love us to win to get my long term revenge on my neighbours who keep reminding me about '73.
     
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  11. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    In a moment of weakness we bought two tickets.........
     
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    ristac Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    There are 24 teams in this division, 19 of them are better than us as the table stands today. Are they all losing money, do they all have highly paid English players and a coach on £1m a year? I know only four teams in the entire division average a higher home gate than us, Bournemouth are sitting top and they are bottom when it comes to attendances averaging just 9,945 fans a game, that is around £500k a game less than us.
     
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  13. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Our losses are related to previous seasons activities. How many times over the years have we had debts restructured or extended. These come home to roost eventually same as if you or me didn't pay our debts on time. Gfh built up something like 22m debt in a year. Bates before remortgaging season tickets to buy cladding. There's lots of hidden unpaid debts building up we don't even know about
     
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  14. lifecheshirewhite

    lifecheshirewhite Cheese

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    Bournemouth have built a team over the last 3-4 years their fans accept it takes time,ours stay loyal in their support 3-4 games then start slagging them off and shouting to sack everyone.We do have probably the best loyal fans in football but they are probably the leagues worst when it comes to patience,we also put more pressure on our team and everyone raises their game due to our history.
     
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    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Fully agree, Chesh.
     
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  16. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Add to that chesh, we actually have a history of winning stuff which in turn seems to add to the fans impatience. Pl supporting mates of mine still give me the same guff "can't understand Leeds not competing in pl". We're just not near good enough in any department
     
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  17. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    The damage runs very deep at this club, and it's an over simplification to blame Cellino. The only thing he did wrong was buy the club without doing due dilligence. He gazumped farham who would have bankrupted us yet again. GFH have shafted us and just carried on doing the Bates rapedtheclub thing. I know its hard to grasp but spending £15m and still owing another £20m takes some getting used to, but this mess has to be sorted out and the FL (Harvey) should have left us the fook alone and allowed Cellino to steer us through this season righting all the financial failings. Next season should have seen us on an even keel for the first time in 13 years.

    None of us know all the issues, and none of us knows facts so none of knows if I'm right, Glory's right, Eires right etc, but we're all allowed an opinion and I don't need someone calling me a numpty because I hold a certain opinion. I wouldn't go on here and create a post telling you all that I told you so neither
     
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  18. lifecheshirewhite

    lifecheshirewhite Cheese

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    He didn't he said we would beat Wigan and has selective memory when it suits<whistle>
     
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  19. Chippy / Glory

    Chippy / Glory Senior Member

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    There is only one issue that counts. We are on the verge of getting relegated to tier three again, but to make it worse than last time we have a conning egotist failing to understand that genes to either **** off or appoint a proper manager and give him carte Blanche to run the football side of things....

    Other than one of those two things happening we will end up in a worse position than at any time since 1919.
    Can't see either happening so I hope the fl kick him out, and he gets done for the second yacht just to make sure.
     
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  20. lifecheshirewhite

    lifecheshirewhite Cheese

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    Well Chippy as you are very good at throwing out the bets,care for 1 on your relagation theory ?.
     
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