If it is all so cut and dried why are we still waiting for a final decision. I really struggle to understand why people have so much faith in the FA. An organisation that most football fans regard as inept (unless your a Gunner).
we're waiting for the final decision because that's the signal that the allams will be off. the fa have no choice but to find against the name change. end of.
look, i agree in general with your sentiments about the allams, but i don't agree with your distrust of the future of the trust or that its members are either selling out or trying to get cosy with the allams. you're just letting some kind of paranoia fuel your thoughts and coming over as a sore loser when you've actually ended on the winning side. can you not understand that (a) the name change saga is over, dead, finished and that (b) the allams' taxi is on its way? there is no need for the ctwd to carry on a war that is over. if it turns out i'm wrong on that, which i'm not, ctwd will reappear and fight again. as far as the trust is concerned some group needs to represent the fans and not in the way the ocs tries and fails.
Arbitration cannot change the decision. It looks at what happened and if it is consistent with the FA's rules and English law. With MK Dons the FA had no rules and had pre-judged its decision. Arbitration sent it back to the FA who then set up an independent panel which made the decision. It then changed its rules and required the FA Council's approval for a club to change its name because of the criticism it got. All the arbitration body can do is send it back to the FA Council if it thinks the original decision broke the rules. The FA Council should then have another vote. The decision has been made, it was no. Arbitration cannot change that decision, just send it back to the FA if they think it was against their rules or against the law. If the FA say yes to Hull Tigers without another application or solid grounds it could be open to a legal challenge. I suspect moving the arbitration date to February has more to do with the sale of the club than the January transfer window. With the hearing put back to February the new owners can decide whether they want the club to be called Hull City, rely on arbitration or, even, make another application. Interesting times.
The rumour said the new owners are American. Maybe they've sold us to Bill Gates. I'm sure we'll find out soon. Isn't change something we should embrace and not be scared off? Wasn't that what I've been told for months?
Obi, the interesting part of the arbitration will be the recommendations made to the FA regarding any future application to change the name of any club.
From what I can gather in our case the two bones of contention are consulting the local FA and the supporters, in particular the OSC and CTWD. I can't see the FA not consulting fans on a name change because of the threat of parliamentary legislation. Not consulting the local FA opens a huge can of worms about its own organisation. Not consulting a fans organisation set up to support or oppose a name change would open up it, or the club, to a legal challenge. You are right though, the FA's rules will be rewritten as a result of Assem Allam's application. I suspect they will be made tighter. With Assem Allam going there is unlikely to be many who would be willing to take his place. I suspect Vincent Tan egged him on because he didn't want to be in the firing line after changing the strip. Which leaves the attitude of our new owners. Withdrawing the arbitration gives them an easy brownie point with the fans, draws a line under the name change and lets them concentrate on building the club with the help of the supporters. Or they may have bought it to become Hull Tigers. I suspect if they did they'd have had the hearing in January before they bought the club, especially if they are American. All just guesses, but the only ones that make sense to me.
Yes you are. You attend meetings called by the club, you falsely indicate that you attend as representatives of your group, CTWD, which is only accepted as being false when pushed on the point. Believe me, OLM, that comes across as cheesy snuggling. Allam doesn't want you so don't bloody go; have some standards, some integrity (as a group). PLT attends, allegedly, as a rep of this board, yet his posts in this thread are so confused it is, well, confusing. Let's see what happens with the Allams and the club, but in the meantime, stop taking part in their deceptions. Un-snuggle immediately! Collectors items. There are a number of actions that can spin-off the arbitration process and a fully fledged name-change application is one of them. This talk of new owners drips off your keyboard very easily and frequently; what do you have to offer as substantial reason to keep repeating it in your arguments and concocted reasoning? Is it possible that folk are getting drawn into yet another of Assem Allam's devious strategies of lies, misdirection and blackmail?
It's got nothing to do with integrity, it's all about being involved with something that can benefit the fans. For the first time ever, there will be a fan attending the next SAG meeting, to question the policing, stewarding, segregation and fencing, something that should have happened years ago and it's a significant step forward. There is nothing cozy about these meetings, they are generally techy affairs, almost all of the twenty odd attendees are anti-name change and critical of many aspects of running the club. This is an opportunity to challenge some of the things the club are doing and try to change them. It remains to be seen exactly what will be achieved, but it would be ridiculous for the Hull City Supporters Trust not to be involved in trying to change things, it's what we're there for.
Fez, Assem Allam is a success and wants to be seen as a success. He bought Hull City to cement his name forever in the history of the City of Hull. We are amassing a sizable amount of debt for transfer fee instalments. Our wages bill is going up and Assem Allam is running out of cash (note cash, not assets). If he stays he has to decide how much to spend in this transfer window and the next and the next. He also has to decide on how much to increase the wages bill. He's been cutting the pay of new staff and changing the conditions of others. The half time ticket sellers have gone, the payment of the programme sellers has gone from commission to flat rate. All indications that money is tight, which isn't surprising when new employees on the playing staff are earning over a million quid a year and rising. You know what the reaction will be from the silent majority if he fails to get his cheque book out and we remain in the bottom three, so does he. He also knows that if we go down he'll lose money. I think he'll make a profit from his investment in Hull City after taking into account the interest, the tax losses transferred to other group companies and the part repayment of the loan last year if he sells for anywhere near the rumoured £50 million asking price. The final piece of the jigsaw is his annual profits at Allam Marine, less than £15 million a year. A fortune to me, but getting 7 more players on £2 million a year would wipe it out for the next three years. Assem Allam's legacy will be the FA Cup Final and passing us on to a better owner that takes us to the next level. Without the name change that would be a fantastic legacy, but Hull Tigers is likely to be what he'll be remembered for most. Just as Bartlett's was getting us into so much debt we nearly went into administration and Pearson's was selling us to Bartlett. The rumours just confirm what I always thought. Come the end of the transfer window he'll be gone.