Most of it is not too bad...Just the odd one here and there that are placing all Muslims in the terrorist bracket..
I just find it sad. I can't comprehend how people live with the amount of hate that some people have to carry around with them. I find it astonishing really.
Yep, main reason I rarely post on here these days, like a ukip recruiters wet dream sometimes, the fear of very little is palpable
Absolutely, agreed fully on that. Integration into British society should mean just that. However personal attacks against all muslims are not necessary. (Not aimed at you)
It's the Muslim Trojan Horse school scenario in Brimingham happening all over. It is a disaster for the succesful 'integration' of communities going forward, and has to be stopped or Britain will be a country filled with extremists. Canada has already been hit mate, in October. Some twat shot a soldier outside Canadian parliament then went looking for blood. Some think this triggered the Ausi attack in Sydney.
I can't help but agree with RAW on this Regarding the Sydney siege, surely the Australians will have to answer the very important question of just why this Iranian nutjob with a record as long as your arm was allowed to publicly preach his hate and live freely in Australia? I think the Australians will be keeping more than a watching eye on the rest of the known muslim agitators from now on.
No, change it to extremist, not terrorist. Not all extremists are terrorists. There's plenty of hate preachers who are not terrorists, campaigning for Shar'ia law is not an act of terrorism, yet I'd like to think that everybody involved in those campaigns are deplored by the 'regular' Muslim community. I know plenty of them, I see them in my office every day and as you'd expect MOST of them are decent, hard working people. They do not integrate though, and when that happens, there's a fundamental flaw in their character that is open to scrutiny. It is only the minority who integrate and that right there is the reason why people have so many unanswered questions about them, which in turn will always lead to prejudice and assumption. You can't personally attack 'all muslims'. Vocally discriminating against an entire religion is of course wrong. Israel was ripped a new arsehole by the media worldwide for blitzing Gaza, the only ****ing country with the bollocks to stand up against terrorism and attack back 'by any means necessary'. If that means casualties of innocent civilians then that was the way it had to be.
what was first the 'chicken or the egg' ... Did the hostage taker choose 'martin Place' because of the location for maximum affect? or , [video=youtube;5deTABITkDs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5deTABITkDs&feature=youtu.be[/video] does it all seem rather strange when a ' unstable on bail terrorist' can just waltz into area and create such misery and havoc? that he chose an exact same location that had recently been designated for Counter-terrorism training news story video above - this news story has like other recent 'terror' tragedies has the conspiracy theorist gossiping because the area of crime once again had also been an area of government counter terrorism manoeuvres - coincidental maybe? but ultimately these 'terror plots leave many unanswered questions than answers that will eventually eradicate our freedoms as the 'war on terror' ultimately fuels the implementation for more government 'surveillance' because we live in 'fear'.
Conspiracy theories never really get anybody anywhere do they? All they result in, is people who only have the benefit of open-source information, thinking that their opinion is more valid because they have formed their opinion on information that the mainstream media haven't reported. America and the Illuminati will be getting the blame for this no doubt, for this Iranian piece of ****, who should have been shot in the face at birth.
Considering that mainstream media is ultimately run by the Government and Media Oligarchy ( 'Illuminati )maybe the conspiracy theorist do have a point
They'll also tell you that nowt hit the world trade centre on 11th September 2001. Mainstream media also encompasses social media, where truth cannot be manipulated. There's that many people hell bent on exposing corruption that they're willing to believe anything other than what's printed, just so they can be the opposition. It's 'the cool thing to do', because they refuse to be labelled as 'sheep'. I'm not suggesting for one minute, that I believe what is printed by the press as gospel, nor do I think the world's order is clean and free from corruption and greed, I worked in military intel, I know for a fact that the media get drip fed what they need to know, only ever diluted information went their way. There were thousands of conspiracy theories about what was going on in Iraq to what the media were reporting, not a single credible 'theory' was ever put forward though, it was all absolute bullshit from people who had no means of ascertaining truth, just ****nugget hippies who ironically, were happy to be led down dark tunnels that got them nowhere.
Giving the example media reporting Iraq war - I agree mate a excellent example of opening a whole can of worms of 'facts' - 'mistruths' - 'conspiracies'- 'WMD' -'political manipulation'- et al - who has the real answers? or even for that matter the correct questions? - its a ****ed up world
Spot on MrRaw, but an inclusive, tolerant society is very difficult to achieve when some people remain disengaged. There are people of all races, creed, colour and religion disenfranchised from the mainstream utopian vision of a multi cultural society. Their alienation is not only exacerbated by the ignorant hate campaigns generated in some parts of society through the media, but also the ignorance shown by the politically correct do-gooders who want us all to walk on rice paper when addressing serious issues. Positive discrimination is as damaging to an equal society as the ignorance of racial hatred.
The fact is, we were told what to do by our bosses across the Atlantic (in every sense not just my job), it wouldn't surprise me if the British MOD were drip fed the same old ****e the media got palmed off with, but once your friends, family, colleagues, whatever were sent out there 'boots on the ground', none of it mattered. All that counted was getting them home safe. What annoys me most about conspiracies are that they come out without a moments regard for the victims. It's like when them accident claims 'specialists' turn up at the scene of an accident so you can give them your details for a claim, ****ing vermin.
Get rid of the free Schools I say. Anyone can set up a school, design their own Curriculum and pick and choose their Students. Radicalists are taking advantage of this to start brainwashing young muslim bairns at a very young age. It's f**ing crazy it's been allowed to happen. I said Free Schools were a bad idea. But I thought it would effect the standard of education. I didn't think in my wildest dreams it would lead to 'toddler terrorist camps' in our own country. I notice there isn't even a review of Free Schools in the Tory manifesto. They intend to carry on with program and are still 100% behind it. I find that to be extremely reckless and only goes to further prove that Cameron is way out of his depth. Oh we're at war, and our enemies are behind our lines and infiltrating the minds of our youth. Hadn't realise Canada had been hit. Is there any hope? Are we now fighting a losing battle?
People aren't striving for an 'equal society' though Monty. I can show you areas of Manchester that house ONLY Muslim populations, now you tell me where did the white people go? They were forced out. Make no mistake about it, feeling unsafe in your own community, that many people grew up in for generations, does not represent Great Britain. Forced out of your street, by pack-mentality style foreign integration. If you moved to Spain would you research where all the ex-pats lived and move straight into that area? I wouldn't, I'd be in with the locals, absorbing the essence of their traditions and their culture. Giving them the benefit of the doubt, only serves to offer them even more protection in what they're doing. No doubt people will suggest it's where the government are housing them, but it's not, the government are attempting to integrate them, but they stamp their feet and refuse house after house until they're placed amongst their own people. This mentality isn't extreme, it's absolutely the norm across this city. I have heard these words from the mouths of people who I chat to regularly, a Syrian, a Jordanian, a Turkish bloke... they don't want to become part of the community, they don't want to live in an area where they have to go to the shop and see a girl in her t-shirt, arms showing, that's not medieval, that's today. Muslim people judge others more than any other religion. Those I know who have successfully integrated, have in a sense relinquished some of their values and became a little westernised.
I agree Terry, the sad thing is that we will never achieve a fully integrated society, that's why I called it a mainstream utopian vision, it is the centre politicians vision not the general publics. I would never emigrate to an English conclave or a little Britain, I could never be an Englishman abroad. My point was that the failure to achieve a truly integrated society is not just the fault of the minority ethnic groups, the politically correct brigade, the government through positive discrimination and the ignorant hate campaigners have an equal share of the blame. However without society at least moving towards partial integration and more tolerance, this country will be a dangerous place to live in the near future.
I get what you're trying to say to me and nobody seems to have the answers for the best way to deal with something that is this broken. I hate being represented by the IC1 chav in the street, who claims all jobs he could have got have been taken from him by the 'Paki's and Poles', the same as Muslims must hate being represented by Anjum Chaudury. People all have their 'solution to the problem' which usually ends up with either something radical, or something so ideal it seems like it's been lifted out of a children's book.
Given the hostages were asking for 'demands' via social media for the terrorist, one of the demands was a ISIS flag - and if the military and police conceded to this demand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynCgOSxHQck&list=UUw7ZVlsuvyypTLCLQTSh3kA would have that request been a way to surreptitiously induce sleep by stealth, that knock out both hostages and terrorist using non- lethal weapons ? or is that scenario too much like a James Bond plot? I'm sure I remember reading the military have a gas that renders everyone unconscious
