Pardew...

The 6 game winning run has really let him off the hook and covered up just how poor our start to the season was.

Aston Villa won their game for 10 matches tonight, they're just four points behind us now.

He's also a one trick pony, only had one game plan with Cabaye, once he left we went to pot. It's the same now, counter attack worked for a couple games so we'll now see it every game regardless of the personnel available.

I fully expect Tiote to start against Chelsea as he's a Pardew favourite, this will happen even though Jack, Moussa and Abeid have already shown a really good understanding in the games they've played together so far.

The table is tight, we're probably in and around where we should be given the ability of our squad. I just think if our manager showed more bravery we could certainly have an extra 4-6 points on the board and be right in the mix.

As it is we have a very tough run of games approaching and I for one expect us to be 14th/15th come the end of December.

 

We will beat Chelsea come Saturday.

 

We had a few wobbly games at the start, yes, but he's done OK bearing in mind the level of squad he's had available to him. We ARE a mid table side at best.

 

We still have a tough run of games. 6 wins are great but we must remember we have been **** for best part of a year. We all know at any other club he would have been out on his arse ages ago. Its law of average that the **** would put a run together sooner or later but it doesn't mean anything yet as we could go on our usual abortion run at anytime.

I'm a fair man but if we lose to sunderland 3-0 again in a few weeks he needs to be put in the stocks and pelted with bricks, bottles and old tampons. I think we can all agree on that.

 

Some might say harsh but fair!

 

I agree pardew is a useless prick who needs to go ASAP, it's funny how a lot of fans have become Narrow minded and are happy with a draw against bloody burnley.
As they say a swallow never makes a summer

 

Is that an African Swallow or a European Swallow?

 

He has got a lot wrong over his time with us. He has on occasion found a formula that works for a while then it goes to pot. To be fair and I don't think anyone can deny this he has been far from helped by Mike's transfer policy. I do think recently though he has done some good things with the squad players, created a bot more competition for places and given himself a few more options. Today I think he would hold his hands up and say he got it wrong first half but he tried to put it right with setting them up a bit differentw for the 2nd. He has got a long way to go to earn back the respect from the fans. He probably never will but I do think that the discussion about his position deserves a more balanced view than many provide.

 

2 Questions:

Where was your post whilst we were on a 6 game winning run?

What exactly can Pardew do in terms of formation and changing tactics when we could make our first team out of the players we don't have fit?

I think people need to see this season as it really is. We are currently 10th, but a few points off 4th. MOST of our first team is injured. We are nowhere near the relegation zone, which as far as I'm concerned was about the best I could have hoped for 3 months ago.

It annoys me that we seem to take 45 mins to get into a game at the moment but this team is very much in a transitional period. With all players fit, I don't think a person on this board would know who our first 11 would be.

 

I'm consistent in that I don't think Pardew is the right man to lead our club due to his well documented conduct.
I do however recognise the job he is doing now (whilst not ignoring the crap job for most of this year).
With the team giving it some on the pitch the fans are getting back onside.
It ain't rocket science... show some spirit as a player and the fans will do the same.
All I ever wanted is for the team to put in a shift and try.
We have that now so I'm milking it while I can to be honest as I'm sick of beelin away like a bitch about how crap we are.

 

Right, so we're where we should be in the table given the level of ability in the squad. You're unhappy. The winning streak was luck. The losing streak was Pard's fault.

Whatever.

 

Kind of how I feel except I think we are above where we should be in the table on ability. I can't believe anybody after our summer work sat thinking we are a top 10 club on paper? If they did, they need their head checked. If you had offered every fan 20 points after 14 games, sitting 10th in the table level with the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool, Everton, Spurs, 5 points off the CL spots, I reckon they'd have snapped your hands off. The league is unpredictable. Much vaunted managers like Rodgers, Martinez, Wenger, Pochettino are having a tough time getting the wins. Why should we any different? People keep saying "we have a tough run of games". We've already had one too! Away to Man C, Spurs, West Brom, home to Liverpool is not easy regardless of form etc.

This is the reason some of our fanbase are mocked for expecting too much. Pardew is having a very good season. We'd have never got a point out of that last season. I don't think he is the right man for the job, but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement about this season. The one thing he has been is very adaptable. This is evidenced by the number of points we have collected after going behind in games (something he has always been criticised for)

I'm not sure what people want. Our squad is a lower half squad on paper.

 

We're where we should be but it could and perhaps should be so much more. We're setting up defensively against the worst team in the league, you think that's a good tactic? My whole point is he's a one trick pony, we set up with the same game plan against Burnley as we did against Spurs & Liverpool, it's ridiculous. Surely you can see that against the weaker teams in the league we should be setting up to ATTACK them?

I mean this is a manager who prides himself on setting his teams up to "play on the front foot".

It was proven with cabaye, whole team set up around him, he goes and there is no plan B. It's the same this season, sitting deep and trying to counter which is all well and good against Chelsea, Arsenal etc but against Burnley, Leicester, QPR etc we should be looking to attack them, not sitting back, hoping they can do nothing with the ball and trying to pinch a goal on the break.

If you can point out where I said the 6 game winning run was luck then go ahead, but you can't because you've fabricated it out of thin air.

 

We are a one trick pony under Pardew and a mini purple patch doesn't change my opinion of the guy. We have players with real ability and they are being stifled by this clown.

 

One stick that has been used to beat Pardew with previously was that his half time team talks and substitutions were ineffectual as no matter what the score line at the time the team never seemed to play better in the second half.

I didn't see the game yesterday but looking at the stats and from what people who did see the game have said it sounds like we did play better and the subs did make a difference.

 

Yes, you were saying in the "Pardew given an reprieve" thread how strong the squad was

Oh, hang on a minute . . .

 

We have been on a good run but with tough games to come and injuries mounting we could as easily go on a 7 or 8 match losing streak. We all know this can and most probably will happen at some point (a lot like Pardew eventually getting a string of wins together), it was bound to happen sometime given the time has been given despite a horrific previous run of results. Do I credit it all with luck? No that wouldn't be fair to do and not correct imo but the question is, would he still be here under any other club bar under this regime in the country before this run of victories? We all know the answer to that is a resounding no.

The problem for Pardew is if we lose the next couple of games which are tough ones and we go into the derby with morale falling and injuries pilling up and lose - all the apparent new converts to his cause will rapidly disintergrate. I think most of us can agree to some degree on that.

 

I don't see many converts to his cause so no I don't agree! He is hated still by the majority. Myself Freddd, Jimi and Less Hope have always defended him to differing degrees. I'm not sure any think he is the ideal solution, but the bottom line is he is no where near as bad as some like to paint. Plus the reluctance to give him any credit when things go well just makes those fans look a bit petty really and devalues any argument they may raise. We are having a decent season so far, this is not even in question. The operative words there are "so far". Long way to go before getting carried away or singing his praises over the long term.

Nobody is doing that, he just deserves credit for our work this season so far. A lot of the sticks used to beat him with, he has batted away. The never coming from behind, never making a sub that makes a difference, being a one trick pony. We have set up a certain way to play this season. Counter attack, which suits us, he has used it well. Last night he tried to play two up top because it was Burnley, and we had injuries. It didn't come off but he at least managed to salvage something by altering things.

 

I think you will find that I said when we getting stuffed every week that 'I was sick of the ****s'. That being the team as a whole. 'Players with real ability' refers to two - Sissoko and Janmaat. Sissoko is a beast in his proper position. Pardew has played him out of position for most of his time here. He's stumbled upon a potential gem by shock horror, playing him correctly. Also, Janmaat is showing his class. Pardew is a ****e manager and always will be.

 

I've reviewed your posts since September. So far as I can see the only positive comment you have made about any of the players who are currently in the squad is:

"Obertan has been impressive the last few games. So has Moussa Sissoko though. Since being moved back in to the centre he is a different player. Sissoko and Colback in Midfield with Aarons and Obertan on the wings has a lot of potential."

Of the four players you have commented positively about, 2 (Obertan and Aarons) have clearly improved under Pardew. One (Colback) most people would say has been better this season than last, which would mean that he too has improved under Pardew. Everyone also agrees that Sissoko is better this season, though some people share your opinion that he was held back last season by being played out of position.

Given that at least 2 (and probably 3) of the four players you have had a good word to say about this season have improved under Pardew, who exactly are these players of real ability who are being stifled by Pardew ?