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CAMPAIGN - FSF Safe Standing Petition

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  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    Below is a statement from the Football Supporters Federation regarding the introduction of safe standing all football grounds, please sign up:

    The Football Supporters’ Federation has launched a petition – visit www.fsf.org.uk/safestanding - as part of our campaign for the introduction of safe standing areas in the top two divisions in England and Wales. We know some of you might think that signing a petition is a bit of a futile gesture, but the timing for the campaign is crucial.

    There is currently a bill going through Parliament which faces its second reading in a little under three months time, and for the first time in two decades the Sports Minister has agreed to look at the evidence on safe standing. We have a short timeframe to gather support and prove that there is a groundswell of opinion behind fans’ choice to stand at football in England and Wales. Within a week of launching the petition, nearly 10,000 fans added their voices to our campaign, but we need a great deal more support behind our cause. The more numbers that back our campaign, the stronger our case to the Government and football authorities will be.

    There is a great deal of nonsense spoken about standing by the mainstream media and football commentators, and we feel we are constantly fighting an uphill battle. The most common argument is that standing is inherently unsafe. If that is the case, why is it allowed in Leagues One and Two? If standing was truly unsafe, it would be outlawed not only in the lower leagues, but at horseracing, rugby, motorsport and concerts (some of which are held in all-seater football stadiums). Our position is that if standing is safe in the lower leagues, then it must be safe in the top two divisions. We find the idea that safety is dependent upon the quality of football played on the pitch as absolutely absurd, and logically flawed.

    Many opponents to standing mistakenly cite Hillsborough as a reason not to allow its introduction. Their argument is that a return to terraces means another Hillsborough disaster is inevitable. The tragic loss of lives in 1989 was not caused by standing; the Taylor Report primarily blamed the failure of police control. It did not ban standing, nor claim it was inherently unsafe. Furthermore, we are not calling for a reintroduction of terraces. Modern safe-standing areas in Germany feature convertible seats, with barriers between every row.

    The FSF’s Safe Standing Campaign is also not just about those who prefer to stand. By giving supporters the choice, we think that everyone benefits. Those who wish to stand can do so, while those who prefer to sit no longer have to worry about having their view blocked. Every week thousands of fans stand in front of their seats for large parts of the game, and attempts by the authorities to end this practice have failed. Fans are standing in ever greater numbers, and we think they should be able to do so in safely designed and managed areas where possible.

    The FSF does not propose that the stringent safety standards laid down in the Government’s Green Guide be abolished or weakened in any way, and nor are we suggesting that clubs should be forced to provide safe standing areas. Issues around cost and feasibility should be a matter for individual clubs and their fans, not for the government.

    If you agree with us that fans should have the choice to sit or stand at football, please add your name to the thousands already in favour of safe standing. Now’s the best chance we’ll have to make a difference. We, as football fans, have to stand up for ourselves.

    The FSF is the national supporters’ organisation for all football fans and represents more than 180,000 individual fans and affiliate members, such as supporters' clubs, throughout England and Wales. Once closed this petition will be handed to the relevant government and football authorities.

    The Football Supporters’ Federation is offering supporters’ organisations and fanzines the opportunity to have the Safe Standing Roadshow visit their club in the coming weeks and months. The roadshow is run by Jon Darch and supports the FSF’s Safe Standing Campaign by providing supporters with the opportunity to see a “rail seat” area in action.

    Fans can also come along and see the roadshow at the FSF’s FANS PARLIAMENT on July 9th in London. Registration is free from www.fsf.org.uk

    The unit consists of four ‘rail seats’ (from a batch made for VfB Stuttgart in Germany) mounted on a platform in the design of a small grandstand PICTURES HERE. It measures 2m x 2.3m and can be set up outside or indoors (subject to double-door access). By standing at the rail seats on the roadshow unit club executives, safety officers, local councillors and MPs can get a genuine feel of what ‘safe standing’ would be like if such seats were allowed to be installed in a designated standing area at your ground.

    The roadshow recently made its first appearance at , where a representative group of fans indicated clearly to the club’s chief executive that they felt supporters should have the choice to sit or stand and that a significant number would personally like the opportunity to stand. A report on that event, including a link to the independent minutes, is available CLICK HERE. The unit has since made appearances in the North East, Scotland and Merseyside - read a report of that event CLICK HERE- and is being lined up to visit Arsenal, Stoke City and Portsmouth in the coming weeks.

    If you would like to hold a similar event at your club (or arrange a private demonstration behind closed doors for your club executives), please contact FSF member Jon Darch (email below), who is running the roadshow. He’ll be happy to arrange a suitable date with you.

    If you have any further question please email Jon: [email protected]

    Statement - http://www.hullcityindependent.net/?...ws&news_id=624
     
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  2. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    As I mentioned on the Cardiff board, firmly against this, who will fund the millions it will cost to adapt each stadium for a very small minority of fans. ?
     
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  3. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    It will be the choice of each club, nobody's going to force anyone to add a standing area.
     
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  4. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    I've just realised that when I posted this to each board, the hyperlink only worked on the first one I posted, so no-one can actually link to see what safe standing looks like. It looks like this:

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    You buy a ticket just as you would for a seat(there's even a seat in each place), but you're able to stand there and it no more dangerous than having a seat.
     
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  5. Jager

    Jager Well-Known Member

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    Yes but what club will fund something that will cost a fortune and bring nothing in financially , football clubs are a business and should be run as one, throwing money at this will not be viable, and what about clubs that have new stadia not designed for this, a good portion of seats are taken up by season ticket holders that may not want this, and ultimately will have to fund it with increased prices.

    I question the findings of a poll showing 90% of people are for terraces, is that a true reflection of all supporters or just a certain section of them ?
     
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  6. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    aint going to happen at the liberty thats for sure...
     
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    Jager Well-Known Member

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    I agree dai, but to be fair the image of it above look alright with it, but I still say that it will never happen, and would think the clubs will not put a burden on them for no gain, also even if the law was changed it's not up to the fans, it's up to the club, and if a club said yes we will install it but your cost of a ticket will increase by 50% to cover costs, would they still go for it ?
     
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  8. Scottswan

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    I'd love, absolutely love to see standing reintroduced, but it's another one on the list of "things that make sense but beuraucratic red tape and misinformed idiots in positions of power will never allow", such as sorting out the NHS, schools, decriminalising marijuana (and the massive percentage of people who smoke it) and god knows how many other things. God I love Britain!
     
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  9. HackerJack

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    Won't happen. The safe standing areas offer no additional spaces (as they still provide a seat and the same space for each fan, but additionally have the cost of railings and extra policing (you know the force will demand more).

    I suppose the club could charge more for this area, but can't see people liking that.
     
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  10. Scottswan

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    I would happily pay a little more (say, 30 quid instead of 25) to watch a match and be permitted to stand... probably in the minority here though.
     
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  11. ShanghaiSwan

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    I think at least one section of the ground should be for standing. Why should those that want to stand be forced to sit. Sitting is for the old codgers.
     
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  12. PGFWhite

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    I would love the lower tier seats at The Liberty to be ripped out and replaced by terracing. Will never happen now though.
     
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  13. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    we have moved on from the old days of standing and you may as well accept they will never come back. the police wont allow it for a start as its easier to police sitting than standing, thats the way it is its called progress and getting up to date. its no problem...
     
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