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Imagine trying to shoot at someone's legs itd be like a scene from the mask.

In truth even if you shot someone in the leg to "disable" them there's a good chance youd go straight through an artery and theyd bleed out.
 
flandersmackem said:
I am not stating other than than facts....America has been seen for years as a white dominated country, in 10 15 years it won't be...
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In South Africa .. When apartite finished the country had had become a very violent country where one tribe are basically fighting other tribes.
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The Republic of South Africa was a nation that upheld legislatures that favoured the white privileged minority. The Apartheid System was dehumanising, abhorrent and needed to change, which it did, in the main due to international pressure. In the end there was a peaceful handover of power in a country that was violent and still is to this day. I fail to see the connection here between this and the current situation in USA

I see in the states Latinos and African Americans having that similar pattern. For the record, if you read my thread properly... I am not coming from this from any kind of racist view...just plain facts and my observation from living there
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What pattern I you referring to? The respective history's, racial make-up and political systems as vastly dissimilar. I don't think you can draw any parallel here.

I think Japan is a far more racist country btw, though I do accept your point about there being a wider racial divide in the States than we're used to here in the UK. when I resided there, around 20 years ago, I had quite a long ****list almost entirely made up of caucasian bigots. Conversely, there were many more enlightened individuals, some who I still keep in contact with.

.... Hope that's clear for you now
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Thank you for being patronising <ok>
 
BobbyD said:
If that is really what happened then i'd agree. But sureky he could have shot him to disable rather than to kill. To me thought this all sounds a bit too fishy. The copper looked like he was barely slapped let alone punched
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No, no, no!
I don't know about the American police but I know what I was trained to do.
Shoot to kill.
If you're gonna open up on a man, aim for the torso, it's the biggest part.
Either that or the head, depends what weapon you're using.
And did you know, if a man has a gun a a hostages head, the only way to take him out without a reflex action killing the hostage is to shoot him through the mouth?

How did the officer loose off 12 rounds?
I was under the impression that they were equipped with .38 revolvers which only carry 6 rounds in the cylinder.
 
Shameless said:
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The Republic of South Africa was a nation that upheld legislatures that favoured the white privileged minority. The Apartheid System was dehumanising, abhorrent and needed to change, which it did, in the main due to international pressure. In the end there was a peaceful handover of power in a country that was violent and still is to this day. I fail to see the connection here between this and the current situation in USA



What pattern I you referring to? The respective history's, racial make-up and political systems as vastly dissimilar. I don't think you can draw any parallel here.

I think Japan is a far more racist country btw, though I do accept your point about there being a wider racial divide in the States than we're used to here in the UK. when I resided there, around 20 years ago, I had quite a long s**tlist almost entirely made up of caucasian bigots. Conversely, there were many more enlightened individuals, some who I still keep in contact with.



Thank you for being patronising <ok>
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Since 1994, more than 70000 (and counting) white South Africans have been murdered of which more than 4000 were commercial farmers.

Exact figures are very hard to come by as the South African police fail to report most of the murders that take place.

These numbers are thus conservatively estimated.<ok>
 
I heard a Republican politician today on the radio say something along the lines that in about 15 years time white men will be a minority in the US and will be outnumbered by both African-Americans and Hispanics.

And he finished with, "then we'll find out if they've forgiven us for slavery".

A black historian also suggested that the U.S. will inevitably be ripped apart along race lines and the Republic will split into 3 separate independent states, and it will be bloody in doing so.
 
For me he got what he deserved. Robbed a store, then he and his mate tried to get in the police car to assault the officer, then he started assaulting the officer. This is a 6 foot 4, 300 pound, known thug. Sure in a perfect world the cop would have shot him once or twice to maim, but I don't see how anyone can feel any sense of loss towards the scumbag. It's only big news because he was black, it's happened to white criminals too and no one bats an eyelid.

The American gun culture is a joke though. A 12 year old boy has been shot dead by police today for running around his neighbourhood with a fake gun.
 
JohnHumbles said:
Since 1994, more than 70000 (and counting) white South Africans have been murdered of which more than 4000 were commercial farmers.

Exact figures are very hard to come by as the South African police fail to report most of the murders that take place.

These numbers are thus conservatively estimated.<ok>
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I'll take your word for it <ok>

Like I said, the situations are vastly different

pauljohnhutch said:
your putting it across as only white people are bigots/racist,of course black people cheering O J getting off had nothing to do with colour and white people can walk any where they want in the states
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I didn't come across any Hispanics or Afro-american bigots in the 9-10 months I was working there. That was in Philli, which is a nice place btw :) ...I found the overt racism by white folk directed towards black americans really hard to stomach, it's something we're not used to here.

Blunham Mackem said:
I heard a Republican politician today on the radio say something along the lines that in about 15 years time white men will be a minority in the US and will be outnumbered by both African-Americans and Hispanics.

No doubt the GOP will present a skewed picture, I wouldn't regard them as a reliable source.

And he finished with, "then we'll find out if they've forgiven us for slavery".

A black historian also suggested that the U.S. will inevitably be ripped apart along race lines and the Republic will split into 3 separate independent states, and it will be bloody in doing so.
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It's a reasonably democratic and open culture ...he may be right, though it would be a sad indictment.
 
Blunham Mackem said:
I heard a Republican politician today on the radio say something along the lines that in about 15 years time white men will be a minority in the US and will be outnumbered by both African-Americans and Hispanics.

And he finished with, "then we'll find out if they've forgiven us for slavery".

A black historian also suggested that the U.S. will inevitably be ripped apart along race lines and the Republic will split into 3 separate independent states, and it will be bloody in doing so.
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From the US census Bureau...

"The non-Hispanic White percentage (63% in 2012) tends to decrease every year, and this sub-group is expected to become a plurality of the overall U.S. population after the year 2043. White Americans overall (non-Hispanic Whites together with White Hispanics) are projected to continue as the majority, at 73.1% (or 303 million out of 420 million) in 2050, from the current, official 80%"

This Republican is a scaremongering twat.
 
Blunham Mackem said:
I heard a Republican politician today on the radio say something along the lines that in about 15 years time white men will be a minority in the US and will be outnumbered by both African-Americans and Hispanics.

And he finished with, "then we'll find out if they've forgiven us for slavery".

A black historian also suggested that the U.S. will inevitably be ripped apart along race lines and the Republic will split into 3 separate independent states, and it will be bloody in doing so.
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Pretty much what I said in my reply...I only go by information from a few articles I read, but it seems pretty clear that in 15 or so years this will be the case.
Also what the Black Historian is quoted as saying, is pretty close to what happened in post Apartheid South Africa...again not saying its identical, but the similarities are definitely there.
 
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all I am doing quoting info I heard from CNN during these riots and a senator, I have no statistical knowledge of this at all, I also cannot be arsed to trawl through Google to prove someone wrong...so well done on your research.




The Republic of South Africa was a nation that upheld legislatures that favoured the white privileged minority. The Apartheid System was dehumanising, abhorrent and needed to change, which it did, in the main due to international pressure. In the end there was a peaceful handover of power in a country that was violent and still is to this day. I fail to see the connection here between this and the current situation in USA

That's you opinion...in my opinion, I can see definite parallels, not saying its identical, but there are similarities..Having lived in the States I have some hands on experience of the place.



What pattern I you referring to? The respective history's, racial make-up and political systems as vastly dissimilar. I don't think you can draw any parallel here.

I think Japan is a far more racist country btw, though I do accept your point about there being a wider racial divide in the States than we're used to here in the UK. when I resided there, around 20 years ago, I had quite a long s**tlist almost entirely made up of caucasian bigots. Conversely, there were many more enlightened individuals, some who I still keep in contact with.

I agree with the bigot point you make about certain Americans..I was also on the wrong end of some discussions with those. I still have great friends in America, both coloured and white. I have no knowledge at all of Japan didn't know they had issues.



Thank you for being patronising <ok>
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Didn't mean that to be the case, so sorry if it came across that way.
 
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This is only going to fan the flames...

I've watched the full video of the boy playing around in the area, he didn't look like he was up to anything particularly bad but officers were told he had a firearm and he reached for it when they approached him, they didn't know he was just some kid with a replica gun. Two seconds later the kid was shot.

In a few hours I'd imagine this will be all about skin colour again.
 
Typical_Terry said:
No, I'm not talking about United's old manager here...

What's people's views on that copper getting off Scott-free (is it Scot or Scott?) for shooting that black kid in the US?

My view is if you're gonna attack an American Police Officer then you're asking for it, but I'm not sure that justifies so many shots, he'd have been down after one bullet surely?

Would that copper have been ripped to shreds for shooting a white guy? Where's Sol Campbell with his dossier?
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America is policed a lot different to us. If i punched a cop in the face over there repeatedly he'dprobably shoot me regardless of my colour.
 
From what I understand it was entirely the fault of the officers on the radio. They were told three times the Gun could be fake by the 911 caller, this information was not relayed to the patrolling officers who were given the impression it was a real gun.

Maybe it would have been harsh to hold the shooting officer responsible as he was given false intel, but the person who give the false intel out has surely got to be held accountable. It was human error which led to this lad dying.
 
The Funk with the Junk said:
From what I understand it was entirely the fault of the officers on the radio. They were told three times the Gun could be fake by the 911 caller, this information was not relayed to the patrolling officers who were given the impression it was a real gun.

Maybe it would have been harsh to hold the shooting officer responsible as he was given false intel, but the person who give the false intel out has surely got to be held accountable. It was human error which led to this lad dying.
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That's not good enough in my book, unless I knew for certain I'd have done exactly the same. When a bloke reaches round his back instead of putting his hands up, it's make or break time right there. I'd sooner be putting them in a hole than risking my own life for sure.
 
Have you seen the "toy" gun? **** me even if I was told it could be a toy having seen it I do not blame the cops.

Are they meant to give people the chance to get a couple of rounds off before they act? The parents have a lot to answer for letting their child run around with that especially in a country with such a bad record for guns
 
DAPARKERSAFC said:
Have you seen the "toy" gun? **** me even if I was told it could be a toy having seen it I do not blame the cops.

Are they meant to give people the chance to get a couple of rounds off before they act? The parents have a lot to answer for letting their child run around with that especially in a country with such a bad record for guns
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From the media I've read, it wasn't a toy it was a BB gun, the makers of these guns go all out to make the guns look as realistic as possible.

I get where Bri is coming from definitely, you'd expect a bit more common sense in this situation. Surely there's ways to ascertain the validity of the weapon before wading straight in, they have loud speakers fitted to squad cars and could have given the kid a bit of warning. It seem common sense never really enters the mind of a yank with a weapon in his hand.

Anybody know what the kid was up to? He looked like an opportunist robber to me, waiting for a victim (who would think the weapon was real).
 
Typical_Terry said:
No, I'm not talking about United's old manager here...

What's people's views on that copper getting off Scott-free (is it Scot or Scott?) for shooting that black kid in the US?

My view is if you're gonna attack an American Police Officer then you're asking for it, but I'm not sure that justifies so many shots, he'd have been down after one bullet surely?

Would that copper have been ripped to shreds for shooting a white guy? Where's Sol Campbell with his dossier?
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If it was a black cop that shot a white teenager, would there have been as much anger, or if the cop was black or if the cop was white & the teenager was white?
 
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