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The Friday night debate: immigration, where do you stand?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Shameless, Nov 21, 2014.

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Where are you on the spectrum?

  1. Send home all non-whites and Muslims home now

  2. Stop new in-migration and repatriate all Muslims

  3. Stop all further immigration and asylum seekers entering the country

  4. Only professionals may enter the country, all else is strictly controlled

  5. Control immgration to allow genuine economic migrants the right to work

  6. We benefit hugely from formal and informal in-migration, more than being disadvantaged by it

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  1. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    That bit's international law Funk. No country is allowed to do that whether they're in the EU or not.
     
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  2. The Ides of March

    The Ides of March Well-Known Member

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    With Nigel Farage or that idiot Boris in charge. No thanks!!!
     
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  3. The Ides of March

    The Ides of March Well-Known Member

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    I would add the Chavs of Essex an Kent to that list!!!!
     
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  4. BillySmartsCircus

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    1) what's an immigrant?

    2) what makes you british?
     
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  5. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    We have an ageing population that harbours real dangers of over-burdening the system with loads of non-economically active crumblies.

    So how will we solve this, how do we raise tax revenues?
     
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  6. The Outlaw

    The Outlaw Well-Known Member

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    By being relevant, economically and socially. Bring in the best. Produce the best. Be forward thinking.
     
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  7. Deleted #

    Deleted # Well-Known Member

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    Kick em oot
     
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  8. Shameless

    Shameless Well hung member

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    By having lots of young in-migrants who are officially working, have disposable income, therefore boosting the domestic economy and helping to pay for services through taxes.

    Simple economics :)
     
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  9. Charley Farley

    Charley Farley Well-Known Member

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    What you mean is a ponzi scheme.

    If it takes say 4 workers to pay for a pensioner today it will take 16 to pay for their pensions when they get old. It will then take 64 workers to pay for the pensions for this 16 and then it will take 256 to pay for the 64 pensioners.

    Can you see where this is going?

    Simple economics.
     
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  10. Washysafc

    Washysafc Well-Known Member

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    Yes I can if you always need more and more fit healthy young workers to pay for the pensions of older people you have only one conclusion. Not the one you imply, you will end up shooting any body over the age of 70.

    Now that is the simple economics of your argument.

    If those people needed to pay the taxes to support those who have retired are immigrants Makes no difference to your argument. What does make a difference is having an open and honest debate about how we deal with the issues of an aging population,
     
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  11. clockstander

    clockstander Well-Known Member

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    Stop giving new would be citizens the same rights and benefits as people who have been here for generations. In other words make them earn their place in society, not just demand it, because they have suddenly arrived here.
     
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  12. Nordic

    Nordic Well-Known Member

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    You'll never 'take back control of British borders', we've never controlled them outside of war time.

    Change the benefits system, i.e who can claim, and that will reduce the flow of undesirables. there's nothing in EU legislation preventing this. English/British politicians have failed to do something, that's the problem. It will also give the large volume of lazy British chav bastards out there a kick up the arse.

    Enforce the law.

    Europe has an ageing population. Two choices - allow more employable migrants; or tax consumption, not just income.

    How many people on this board can trace an English only bloodline beyond 3 generations on both sides i.e great grandparents? How many of you get that far?
     
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  13. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    It's funny that because the US manage.

    Illegal entry
    If you entered the U.S. illegally without a passport or by using a false passport and are discovered by an inspecting agent or at the time of departure, you will be detained (imprisoned) for a period of time and subsequently deported. The lack of a passport will not deter your deportation. When released, an entry permit will be issued by your nation of citizenship for you to enter your country. Once deported, an illegal immigrant is banned from re-entering the United States for a designated period of time.


    But they don't have the administration red tape forced on us by the EU which makes it extremely difficult to deport without a passport.
     
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  14. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    See post 11 fella, No thanks to Farage from me too. I'm extremely anti Tory too so wouldn't want Boris either.
     
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  15. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    My main concern is not so much the level of immigration, although it is a problem, but the lack of integration with separate communities based on both religion and ethnicity evolving within the larger society...
     
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  16. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    bollocks....every spare penny they make is sent to their homeland that's why they are here, we only benefit a bit of tax but loose out on the health and education
     
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  17. Makemstine Roger

    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    i can by 8
     
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  18. The Ultimate Mackem

    The Ultimate Mackem Well-Known Member

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    If it was up to me then I would kick the ****ing lot out. UKIP for me.
     
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  19. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    tidied for you mate
     
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  20. Cyclops

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    This world could be much more prosperous for all people if it was not for the greed for power by a core few people. It's all good and well looking at the immediate and presentable source of trouble but it doesn't solve anything, a new hand can always be played to make appearances different on the forefront especially when the media are the primary tool to play people off against each other. Look at the general population, you have more people bothered about Xfactor & Big Brother than you do real definitive affairs & when the Kinky Slut Sisters singing about being shagged up the ar5e becomes more important to people than what is really going on around them then you are in trouble.

    A lot of immigrants come here to try to make a better life for themselves, if it was us then who can say we wouldn't do the same. The age old Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is perfect for causing division amongst people as they will never agree on the concepts of what is written, the reason being it's all been stolen from the ancient Egyptian mysteries and twisted into a tool of control. What better way to take a strong and unified nation than to throw the spanner in the works by infiltrating high positions of power and twisting the outcome of events to further the agenda of a core few. Divide and conquer, control parliament, media, brainwash the youth into inadvertently serving the cause. It's an age old but very clever technique, rife in our society today. Read the tabloids and see that they usually have one page dedicated to how evil the right wing is then turn the page over to see another article about the need to control immigration & how Islam is taking over Britain.

    I really couldn't give a **** about what people think about what I am writing here, it's a whole lot easier to take no notice of what is going on and stuff McDonalds down their throats while watching some 5hit on the telly. Bring in a set of people that you know for a fine fact will cause friction, destroy the working lives of the the indiginous people by ensuring that work can by carried out for minimum wage by immigrants thus driving down the wage of everybody else. Get us all on the same level, feeding off crumbs, while some set of cnuts accumulate more & more at our expense. Communism under a different name. Purposely crash an economy then buy up for a fraction of the true worth. Why America joined in the 1st world war, not the 2nd, but the 1st, will, if their bright enough see the potential outcome of it all.
     
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