Below is a statement from the Football Supporters Federation regarding the introduction of safe standing all football grounds, please sign up: The Football Supportersâ Federation has launched a petition â visit www.fsf.org.uk/safestanding - as part of our campaign for the introduction of safe standing areas in the top two divisions in England and Wales. We know some of you might think that signing a petition is a bit of a futile gesture, but the timing for the campaign is crucial. There is currently a bill going through Parliament which faces its second reading in a little under three months time, and for the first time in two decades the Sports Minister has agreed to look at the evidence on safe standing. We have a short timeframe to gather support and prove that there is a groundswell of opinion behind fansâ choice to stand at football in England and Wales. Within a week of launching the petition, nearly 10,000 fans added their voices to our campaign, but we need a great deal more support behind our cause. The more numbers that back our campaign, the stronger our case to the Government and football authorities will be. There is a great deal of nonsense spoken about standing by the mainstream media and football commentators, and we feel we are constantly fighting an uphill battle. The most common argument is that standing is inherently unsafe. If that is the case, why is it allowed in Leagues One and Two? If standing was truly unsafe, it would be outlawed not only in the lower leagues, but at horseracing, rugby, motorsport and concerts (some of which are held in all-seater football stadiums). Our position is that if standing is safe in the lower leagues, then it must be safe in the top two divisions. We find the idea that safety is dependent upon the quality of football played on the pitch as absolutely absurd, and logically flawed. Many opponents to standing mistakenly cite Hillsborough as a reason not to allow its introduction. Their argument is that a return to terraces means another Hillsborough disaster is inevitable. The tragic loss of lives in 1989 was not caused by standing; the Taylor Report primarily blamed the failure of police control. It did not ban standing, nor claim it was inherently unsafe. Furthermore, we are not calling for a reintroduction of terraces. Modern safe-standing areas in Germany feature convertible seats, with barriers between every row. The FSFâs Safe Standing Campaign is also not just about those who prefer to stand. By giving supporters the choice, we think that everyone benefits. Those who wish to stand can do so, while those who prefer to sit no longer have to worry about having their view blocked. Every week thousands of fans stand in front of their seats for large parts of the game, and attempts by the authorities to end this practice have failed. Fans are standing in ever greater numbers, and we think they should be able to do so in safely designed and managed areas where possible. The FSF does not propose that the stringent safety standards laid down in the Governmentâs Green Guide be abolished or weakened in any way, and nor are we suggesting that clubs should be forced to provide safe standing areas. Issues around cost and feasibility should be a matter for individual clubs and their fans, not for the government. If you agree with us that fans should have the choice to sit or stand at football, please add your name to the thousands already in favour of safe standing. Nowâs the best chance weâll have to make a difference. We, as football fans, have to stand up for ourselves. The FSF is the national supportersâ organisation for all football fans and represents more than 180,000 individual fans and affiliate members, such as supporters' clubs, throughout England and Wales. Once closed this petition will be handed to the relevant government and football authorities. The Football Supportersâ Federation is offering supportersâ organisations and fanzines the opportunity to have the Safe Standing Roadshow visit their club in the coming weeks and months. The roadshow is run by Jon Darch and supports the FSFâs Safe Standing Campaign by providing supporters with the opportunity to see a ârail seatâ area in action. Fans can also come along and see the roadshow at the FSFâs FANS PARLIAMENT on July 9th in London. Registration is free from www.fsf.org.uk The unit consists of four ârail seatsâ (from a batch made for VfB Stuttgart in Germany) mounted on a platform in the design of a small grandstand PICTURES HERE. It measures 2m x 2.3m and can be set up outside or indoors (subject to double-door access). By standing at the rail seats on the roadshow unit club executives, safety officers, local councillors and MPs can get a genuine feel of what âsafe standingâ would be like if such seats were allowed to be installed in a designated standing area at your ground. The roadshow recently made its first appearance at , where a representative group of fans indicated clearly to the clubâs chief executive that they felt supporters should have the choice to sit or stand and that a significant number would personally like the opportunity to stand. A report on that event, including a link to the independent minutes, is available CLICK HERE. The unit has since made appearances in the North East, Scotland and Merseyside - read a report of that event CLICK HERE- and is being lined up to visit Arsenal, Stoke City and Portsmouth in the coming weeks. If you would like to hold a similar event at your club (or arrange a private demonstration behind closed doors for your club executives), please contact FSF member Jon Darch (email below), who is running the roadshow. Heâll be happy to arrange a suitable date with you. If you have any further question please email Jon: [email protected] Statement - http://www.hullcityindependent.net/?...ws&news_id=624
No you are not. It's a pointless debate IMHO. And fans thinking that bringing back standing will mean cheaper tickets are deluded. If anything, clubs would probably charge a premium for any standing section to recoup the cost to take out seats, remodel terracing and put in barriers etc. If people want to stand up to watch football, go to your local non-league team when your main team isn't playing etc.
I don't mind if there is a designated standing area, I do mind very much when people stand in the seating areas. My kids miss half the action, and if it were tolerated, my long-standing back and neck problems would cause severe discomfort. When I first started taking my son, the habit of standing for a few seconds when there was a goalscoring opportunity meant that he probably missed more goals than he saw. Personally don't understand what all the fuss is about.
If you read the statement and follow the links, you'll see that safe standing is just seats with a barrier, so there's no less space used, they just replace the existing seats. The main point of this is to improve the atmosphere at grounds, which has declined dramatically since all seater stadiums were introduced. Nobody will be forced to stand, but I can't understand why anybody would be against allowing others to have this option.
I am getting to the stage where standing up for 2 hours is not an option, I have no objection to Clubs offering a specific area for those who chose to stand, as long as they pay the same price! I believe the Germans have a system where they have optional seats.
The Atmosphere at grounds hasn't got worse due to all seaters. I'd say it's got better because most stadiums are now bowls or even aligned stands which keep the sound in. Most older grounds had a bit of terracing (often no roof with sound going straight up) for the singers and the seated sections rarely joined in. What's changed the atmosphere over the years is the profile of the supporters. It's gone from a working class game mostly supported by blokes to a more even across the classes with many more women and families now going. Also the introduction of corporate seats and a general less edgy feel to the crowd. It's not denying people the option to stand because they are standing already at most grounds in the seated section anyway. If people want standing sections, its up to them, but THEY should be ones who pay for it, not the rest of us.
I've just realised that when I posted this to each board, the hyperlink only worked on the first one I posted, so no-one can actually link to see what safe standing looks like. It looks like this: please log in to view this image You buy a ticket just as you would for a seat(there's even a seat in each place), but you're able to stand there and it no more dangerous than having a seat.
Why bother mixing standing and seating. As Channon has said and I have posted on the Pompey board, it is a pain for people sitting down when all around you people are stood up.
Standing must be limited to certain areas only..in our case, probably the Northam. As a previous poster said, the profile of supporters have changed. I used to sit in the family section at The Dell before all-seating was introduced and would never stand for a match. However, I have no real objection if it's in one section only. I think the vast majority of fans would rather sit.
