I'm sure PegLeg don't need me to defend him....but that's not quite what he said...his words were; 'fans myself included, tend to think more with their wallets these days which is fair enough because of the current financial climate.' Whether we like it or not that is reality, maybe if players and managers were hit in the pockets rather than spectators, it would be a more level basis of judgement. Excuse the language here for a second but if you pay for crap you get crap....but i don't expect us to paying a respectable wage and getting crap at the expense of spectators pockets. As i say sorry for the wording but i couldn't think of another way of putting it.
still think there's a chance we will turn our form around. didn't think he was the right choice to begin with but it was never going to be easy and he is here now. he needs a chance to turn form around. if this doesn't happen and a gap starts to develop to 5th bottom, then an impact manager may be required if the priority is to stay up.
If Newcastle hadn't sacked Pardew at the end of September when they were in last place, then they wouldn't be where they are now, come to think of it he wasn't sacked! How does that work then.
That sort of conjecture is largely pointless Grumpy, we can all look like geniuses with the help of hindsight. Newcastle may still go down, Taylor may or may not turn it around, only time will tell. But what the club needs to do is come out with a definitive statement regarding Taylor's future as it is causing discord amongst the fans and probably the players too
brb - thanks for understanding my point Grumpy - As I stated sacking Taylor would still be more cost effective than losing fans week in week out and then getting relegated. I'm not an armchair fan, I would love to go to see my team as much as possible but in my current circumstances I can't justify wasting money at Priestfield to see dire football and become even more miserable at our current predicament by seeing another loss. Newcastle are in a completely different situation in that they have plentiful resources compared to ours. Their weekly gates are far higher and greater than ours and if they did start losing some fans, 10% of a weekly 50,000 can be accounted for more than 10% of 5,000 with a much smaller and tighter budget. They also have a manager who has a proven track record at that level, ours however hasn't managed an awful lot of success since he left Hull and even failed to beat Iraq with a much better England Under 20's side only as recent as last year. The money he's also spent this season on Dickenson, Norris (which both had to have fees paid for to their previous clubs) and Pritchard have shown only minor glimpses of what we were promised and I feel that a better manager with better tactics could utilise their strengths a lot more than he is managing to do so. You can't blame the injuries because injuries were non-existent under Allen so its down to his and Hessenthaler's training sessions that have caused these.
Grumpy if we had sacked Hessy earlier and bought Stan in sooner would we have survived longer in the Championship. There are lots of examples to back up either theory.
Hullgills, Stan had 25 games to save us and failed, of that 25 he won 7 which is a 28% win rate, with 4 games left to play we were 18th on 47 points, he failed to achieve just a point a game and got us relegated.
According to world football.net site: Hessenthaler P 20 W4 D3 L13 PTS15 AVE 0.75 Gorman P 1 W1 D0 L0 PTS 3 AVE 3 Smith/Ashby P1 W0 D0 L1 PTS 0 AVE 0 Ternant P24 W7 D11 L6 PTS 32 AVE 1.3 So with a bigger points per game average than Hess if Stan had been bought in sooner we could have stayed up as we only needed 1 more point.
"we could" and there's the problem, if Hess had carried on "we could" have ended with 54 points, we'll never know.
That was the point I was making in the first place we can all produce statistics and make them say what we want them to, like you and I did with Ternant. If Newcastle had sacked Pardew in September they might have been higher we will never know.
