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O/t jobless culture of the north east

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Douglas, Oct 4, 2014.

  1. password invalid

    password invalid Well-Known Member

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    when people get rewarded for failure is the most gauling ,i have had many thousands of pounds written off through miss management by others with no accountability or remorse ,pensions lost through failed investments is a crippler for many as was endowments linked with mortgages at a time of your life when there is no time to recover the losses.
     
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    fredor Well-Known Member

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    When I read some of the comments on here I wonder how they have time to post, you would think they would be out grouse shooting
     
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  3. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    Well said MrRAW <ok>
     
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  4. Douglas

    Douglas New Member

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    You do realise Tony Blair closed down more shipyards than Margaret Thatcher did
     
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  5. Douglas

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    Self employed people keep this country running if it wasn't for us you wouldn't have an nhs, fire service or police force to keep you safe. That comes from the hard earned money self employed people make and people who work for the civil service take out of the system rather than put in. Self employed put much more in
     
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  6. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    How many Shipyards did each of them close Douglas?

    To state a fact you will have the accurate figures to hand or at least be aware of them, so it wont be difficult to answer my question.
     
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  7. MackemsRule

    MackemsRule Well-Known Member

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    You're an idiot.
    But you're not alone a lot of people underestimate the percentages.
    The poorest 10% of people pay 8% points more in all taxation, than the richest do.


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    So I'm guessing you are in the middle bracket and pay less than the very rich and a lot less than the poor?
     
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  8. giggitygiggity_blackcat

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    Sorry RAW but rereading my post I can't see where I'm 'tarring everyone with the same brush'. At most I should be accused of being a little over aggressive in my post. The point I was trying to make was it seems to have become easier, expected and even condoned for the jobless people of Sunderland to sign on rather than look for a job. In my opinion (I can't even begin to think where I would get facts to back this up mind you) but I lay this at the feet of Labour. They did allow a benefits culture to evolve where if people don't want to work there's so many ways around the system to allow that to happen. For a false claimant not to work the money has to come from somewhere. That somewhere is government money and government money comes from taxes. Taxes that hard working (or working anyway) people pay to the government.

    I'm not having at go at 'the vulnerable' or anyone who CAN'T rather than WON'T work as I agree that as a society we have a moral duty to help and even protect these people but to repeat something I f'd and blinded through yesterday, the day when claimants sit at desks with one to one help in a JOB centre while people who wish to search for jobs are sent away with a web page address on a piece of paper while being advised that the computers are now working in the library is a society gone mad!
     
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  9. giggitygiggity_blackcat

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    And when did false claimants become the most vulnerable in society? Ffs
     
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    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget, people have seen Swansea ........ the drive into the place is shocking tbh.

    The people are backward and still living in the 1970's. Their only topic of conversation is Wales ad being Welsh <ok>

    This story is typical of their narrow minded attitude of these sad people.

    "A gay photographer was blinded in one eye by an attacker who branded him a &#8220;***got&#8221; before throwing petrol in his face in a &#8220;horrific&#8221; incident."

    http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/gay-photographer-blinded-one-eye-7764407
     
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    Actually Labour cut unemployment until the 2007-2008 credit crunch crisis where unemployment then rose. It&#8217;s a sticky point no economist would ignore. in fact we wouldn't even have the minimum wage structure or a call center industry in this country and in particular the north east if not for the Labour party. Tories have had a full term now where they've bent figures where they've counted people with two part time jobs as two people employed. Also The Torries have conveniently used the zero hour contracts (which came into play under Major in the early 90s) to fix their employment figures, where somebody not getting any hours work per work being ticked off by Cameron on his employment figures, particularly in the build up and during the London olympics where the knacker milked his figures to the max in order to create an illusion of progression.

    Fact is when the bankers plunged us into economical crisis, redundancies were rife. The Tories failure to tweak the minimum wage so that wages met inflation ment those who were out of work thanks to the global financial disaster found they were better off not working thanks to the cost of living. The blame with that lies firmly with the Tory party who were more interested in stimulating the people in the board rooms than the people on the high street. A problem that has become so out of control that the people who work are needing food banks just as much as the unemployed.
     
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  12. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    Spot on Funk..And yet you still get the right wingers blaming the Labour Government for the global economic crisis that was instigated by greedy bankers.
     
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    as a matter of interest ,British law says that the start of the season cannot fall on a Sunday, toodle pip old bean
     
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    Labour caused the crisis in this country by spending too much money what we didn't have
     
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    Having visited many different (thanks hrm) countries , and worked all over this country, not too many people are able to relocate to suit their politics ,myself i enjoy the city ,but could not live in one long term , where i live it tends to be tory orientated ,also having worked under a labour goverment (wilson)and a tory one i must say i am/was better off on a personel level under the tories,but as time has gone on i dont think there is too much between the parties any more,you cannot trust any of them to carry out the pledges given .
    Services overall have suffered Dr beeching must be turning in his grave for one,the biggest cock up ever .
     
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  16. MackemsRule

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    Hope the "i'm alright Jacks" are watching Panorama now.
    Hard working people struggling to survive on their low wages.

    This shouldn't be happening in our country.
    Paying people as little as possible for the great God profit!
     
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  17. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

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    Spot on MR, I'm watching at the moment, it is a disgrace that both parents in one family are working for Tesco and bring in less than £15,000 a year between them
     
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  18. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Newcastle United 0-1 Cambridge United
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    I can't believe some of the stuff that gets written on the subject of politics. Here's a few questions, at random.

    1. Which Chancellor abolished the payment of tax credits on dividends? This meant that people who didn't pay tax (people on low incomes, pension funds and charities, in the main) couldn't claim the tax back.
    2. Which Chancellor made many tax "credits" actually tax "reducers"? The difference is important as tax reducers reduce your tax liability and therefore increase your net income. Since some benefits are based on your net (i.e. after-tax) income this actually took money out of the hands of benefit claimants.
    3. Which Chancellor ran the Private Finance Initiative right through the NHS because he didn't have to put the private capital on the national balance sheet as debt, thereby ensuring his own fiscal rules weren't broken?

    As for tax-dodging rich people, that one always makes me laugh. Anyone on here know how many illegal ***s HMRC have impounded? That's ***s that would otherwise be bought on the cheap by otherwise "honest" working folk. Current tally stands at 3,100,000,000. Yup. 3.1 billion. That's a lot of duty for schools and hospitals.

    The tories may be a bunch of ****ers, but they sure as hell ain't the only ones. And this notion that people who vote for them are heartless bastards who want to give tax cuts for the rich is just barking. You don't get millions of votes for that, despite the lefty propaganda in the media.
     
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  19. Washysafc

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    In 2007 at the Tory Party conference they promised to increase spending by 2% over Labours' planed levels for the next Parliament. They also condemned Labour for placing to many regulations on the banks who were the great wealth creators of this country who should be freed up from regulation.

    So in 2007 the Tories wanted to spend more and give more power to the bankers, the crash would have been worse if the Tories had been in power!
     
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  20. MackemsRule

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    1. Yeah you're right Sid all my mates on low wages are gutted too lose tax credits on their share portfolios. :p Doubt they would know what a portfolio was to be honest. :p

    2. Wasn't that a half arsed attempt to stop rich people claiming?

    3. Wasn't that an attempt to alleviate the NHS running costs?
    It wasn't set up as a get rich scheme like the Tories do.
    The National Audit Office said overall it was value for money.
    The Treasury has said it should be put on the balance sheet and there should be checks and balances put in place to stop anyone getting perks by bypassing individual budgets.
    As with all new ideas it takes time to iron out flaws, they didn't put them there deliberately as you are making out.

    Oh yeah it is so bad, lots of other countries are setting up similar working models.
    And learning from our mistakes.

    So someone avoiding paying tax on a packet of ***s we are talking pennies, are to be compared to companies and individuals avoiding paying billions upon billions of pounds. That seems fair. :p
    The taxes off drink and tobacco are still astronomical.
     
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