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Danny Welbeck: Arsene Wenger cryptic over striker's Arsenal move

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by lazarus20000, Sep 11, 2014.

  1. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    So what your saying is that if we'd gotten a better DM and a(nother) CB and gotten our striker in early, BUT had no GK cover and not replaced a RB then we'd have been getting the players we needed???
     
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  2. Gooner

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    I think you're the one who needs to engage some brain cells before coming to sweeping conclusions based on what players say in public. Players come here because we're offering more money than they're currently getting (Arteta being the exception that proves the rule) and more money than other clubs have offered. That is not something they will say ni public, so most regurgitate the ready made line.

    Wenger may have given additional assurances in the signing of Ozil but that is an exceptional situation as we're not in the business of prizing away marquee players from the likes Real Madrid.

    In other words, Wenger providing a list to a faceless bureaucrat to then go and negotiate the financial details will suffice for 80%+ of transfer dealings. Its only in the signing of marquee names who currently play for a big club (Ozil) or in the signing of a player who is being sort after by a club at a similar financial level (eg Liverpool re Sanchez) where Wenger's involvement will be decisive.
     
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  3. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    So your basically agreeing that for some of the key acquisitions wenger is a very important part of it. That's that dealt with then.
     
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  4. Gooner

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    What was also predictable is how what he said would be reflected in the head lines and the possible impact on the striker's confidence. He should have known better not to create this atmosphere of uncertainty and put at risk the most attribute in any striker...ie confidence.

    Yes he will talk to Welbeck directly to give assurances, but the headlines are out there and suspicion amongst fans is there as well.

    Totally pointless and imprudent comments from a man notorious for shielding his players from public criticism.
     
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  5. Gooner

    Gooner Active Member

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    No, I disagree with this rubbish: Most of our signings only come to Arsenal to work with Wenger.
    = was the thrust of his point.

    Have a black coffee and try again.
     
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  6. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    I think your over reacting. Welbeck will already know the truth of this story before it hit the headlines so why would he give a **** what some sensationalist tabloids spout? It's not going to effect his confidence if he knows in reality it is nonsense...
     
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  7. The Bonstar Wandit

    The Bonstar Wandit Well-Known Member

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    What a stupid comment. At no point is a RB or GK mentioned.
     
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  8. Gooner

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    I addressed that point.....he doesn't need to believe it for it to have an impact on his mentality.

    Its out there on record and people have read it - again pointless and imprudent comment however small the risk is.
     
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  9. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    I think your just wrong mate. Papers print all sorts of rubbish, if you know the truth of it you have to be a pretty weak person to let one wrong news article effect your confidence. Especially after just bagging two goals in an international and getting signed to a new club.

    And it wasn't a pointless or imprudent comment, the bloody papers cut his quote in half, ffs.
     
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  10. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Plenty of posters post newspaper articles. Although i agree that they print plenty of rubbish, the BBC is usually a trusted source. They unfortunately dropped down to tabloid style journalism for this instance. On the otherhand, we also can't pretend to know whats happening in the club, as we are all just fans. Unless of course we have a few Arsenal employees posting here....
     
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  11. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    I think your missing my point - you said that
    So I was just trying to point out that we have strengthened in positions we needed - that was why I mentioned the RB and GK because we desperately needed them, as we needed some attacking flair and speed, which was why we bought Sanchez.

    So I was merely asking if you thought that DM and CB were the positions we needed to fill in this window, then if we'd signed them and not the players we had signed (ie a replacement RB and GK) then would you be happy?
     
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  12. TheBear

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    Toledo is right to some extent.

    Wenger has certainly played a huge part in bringing some of our greatest signings.
    I guess its a good thing to have him involved in the negotiation process... but I also think the financial aspect of things should be handled by the Club not the manager.
     
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  13. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    {double post] oops
     
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  14. Gooner

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    My overall point is not to fall for the notion that nothing good happens at this club without the midas touch of the great man.

    Welbeck may turn out to be a great signing that for all we know would not have happened had Wenger been as heavily involved as he normally is. It's an extension of the belief that someone strong is needed to provide a counter to Wenger's opinion and thus allow for a more critically though out approach (the cliched Dein-type figure).

    The final footballing decision should lie with the manager but he should be overruled on financial matters if there is broad enough consensus against him.
     
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  15. Smirnoffpriest

    Smirnoffpriest Well-Known Member

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    +1

    It's definitely what we've missed since Dein went, Wenger has had too much responsibility, been stretched too thin, made worse by his lack of ruthlessness in the market and by him deliberately taking all the flack from fans/press to protect the club and players.
     
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  16. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    That is rubbish and shows a total lack of knowledge of the realities of football.

    Every single player that joins a club wants to talk to the manager, find out what his philosophy is , the plans he has for the team and how they will fit in. They want to know what position they will play, whether they are guaranteed a starting spot, and so on. I can't think of any player that would even consider joining a club without a conversation with the manager. The manager also needs to talk to the player and find out what he wants and whether his personality is a good fit for the club, how versatile he is prepared to be and what his mental state is. Basically, this is a job interview for a player.

    It is baffling to me that so many people who follow the game know so little about its inner workings that they make these comments. You may or may not think Wenger does a good job at these negotiations, but keeping him out of them is impossible.

    I'm not even arguing that Wenger is good at it, which I think he is, my comment was solely based on the sheer ignorance of the comment in terms of practicality.

    Wenger was taking a pop at the people that were ripping into him about being at the charity match on the last day of the transfer window. He obviously met someone or heard something while he was in Italy that tipped him off the Welbeck's situation. There is no more to this story than that.
     
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  17. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    This is basically a non story really, I don't know why so many people making such a drama out of it.

    One thing I'm certain of, it won't affect Danny Welbeck in the slightest.
     
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