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Scottish Independence and other political topics.

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Boss, Aug 12, 2014.

  1. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    According to the article the hospital she is talking about doesn't even carry out the operation she is alleging will be stopped... If that's the case then it isn't really about who you believe but the facts.

    Also the NHS isn't about to go private. You say the NO vote use scare tactics but surely this is just scare tactics from the YES camp?
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    She seems to have been proven to be factually incorrect in her claims though, Spurf.
    Her spiel about a hospital having to stop performing an operation that they don't perform anyway rather undermines anything else that she might have to say.

    The NHS will be privatised, as that's just the way that everything goes under the current groupthink in politics, but I doubt that she has any special insight into that.
    She appears to have screwed her own credibility without much help, though.
     
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  3. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    "At the moment there is a leaflet from Better Together claiming super market bills will go up after a YES vote because of increased costs.
    TESCO have catergorically denied that this would happen."

    If Scottish supermarkets are buying products from abroad, in a currency that at worst does not have
    parity with GBP, then prices by definition must increase. Is this the reason for the claimed increase ??
     
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  4. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    What lies BOSS?

    The Issue is the NHS in England is being privatised FACT.

    NHS Scotland is not. The question is do you think Scottish NHS will remain or will it end up like NHS in England.

    The YES campaign says it is not safe in the UNion because of budget cuts and TTIP.

    The No campaign says it is safe because it is devolved to the Scottish Government.

    Those are the two positions and once again the tactic of the NO camp is to rubbish the YES claims rather than provide it's own evidence.
     
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  5. Boss

    Boss Son of Pulis

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    Spurf this is where you slip up as you refuse to believe the lady in the link you posted could have been lying and offering an extreme view and ironically after you challenging me on facts, I haven't even had to post any links, yet it looks as if my '' hot air '' was blowing towards the truth.
     
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  6. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    "You obviously know more about economic figures and data and correct way to research"

    I am trying to do a "bill of materials" analysis for this better Scotland.
    The source figures may be contested (although some of them are extremely credible - OECD etc) ,
    but methodology scrutiny will be passed with impunity.

    The bottom line is that the figures do not have to be 100% accurate, but they must be credible
    (as must the method) .
     
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  7. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Just take the time to listen to Allyson Pollock on the link above. She is a Professor not a politician it is quite clear the NHS in England is being privatised. Instead of reading propaganda in newspapers just read the academic truth about what has happened to your NHS.

    Whatever your views on Scotland you should know the facts on the NHS issue.
    The media is just not reporting this stuff.


    The currency issue is another example where many economists will tell you that that a union of currency is mostly in the interests of the rUK for Scotland it is less important. This is not reported at all by the media only the economists with the other view are published. The media are doing the British no favours whatsoever and most of the owners do not even live in the UK.
     
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  8. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The media have made loads of reports about the NHS being privatised, Spurf.
    There's a march about it today. Unfortunately some bollocks about Scotland seems to be dominating the political landscape, for some reason.
     
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  9. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Boss believe me I have close links with this lady. She is a cancer surgeon she is not a politician. She has told us who gave her the information from Gateshead.

    Now I understand that this is no proof from your point of view, therefore if you wish to discount what this lady is saying because of that, then that is your perogative but I can assure you she is not a liar. The question is do you trust politicians or newspapers over a Cancer Surgeon, I know where my vote would go.
     
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  10. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    She claimed that a hospital would stop performing an operation that they don't perform, Spurf.
    She may not be lying, but she seems to be wrong. Perhaps she was given false information?
     
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  11. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Fair enough PNP but some people seem to be under the ilusion that it is not happening.
     
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  12. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    That is a possibilty PNP that is why she has told us who told her, but cannot name the people publicly as that could seriously damage their positions. The other possibilty is that they meant the hospital was not now going to do them not that it was stopping them. If you take the report that the hospital does not perform this operation as being correct and accept the good faith of the people involved then wrong information is the obvious answer.
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I don't think that this is the case. I'm sure that most people have noticed the slow creep towards it.
    They've accepted the privatisation of everything else, so I'm not sure why this would be any different.
    You'd be a hippy and a communist to oppose it, after all...
     
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    On the currency issue, Osborne has restated today, on the Andrew Marr show, that the rest of the UK "categorically" will not share the pound with an independent Scotland.
     
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  15. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Given the fact that they appear to have been bullshitting, perhaps their position deserves to be damaged?
     
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  16. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

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    If the UK Gvt wants to know how to run a public health care service properly, they should come here, to Spain and take a look at the difference in the standard of hospitals, care provided, etc. it makes the NHS look the embarrassing shambles it has rapidly become.
     
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  17. The RDBD

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    "The currency issue is another example where many economists will tell you that that a union of currency
    is mostly in the interests of the rUK for Scotland it is less important."

    Not in the interests of UKminus.
    UKminus will shrink its GDP to 90% of the UK. The markets should revalue (downwards) Sterling accordingly.
    Sterling will still remain a strong and trusted currency.

    Scotland OTOH for starters has an immediate balance of payments increase once its "currency" no longer
    has parity with Sterling (0.9bn for each 0.075 unit decrease in currency value) .

    Currency pegging means being tied to the economic fortunes of the greater currency.
    Separate currency + lesser economic nation raises the spectre of aggressive currency market speculation
    (perhaps Joe Lewis will fully fund new WHL very soon after all :) ) .
     
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    NSIS Well-Known Member

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  19. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e635505a-328f-11e4-a5a2-00144feabdc0.html

    gives a variety of viewpoints on the possibilities (note : NOT "options" ) .

    The consensus seems to be either remain formally linked to Sterling, or
    separate currency, are the best possibilities. So given that the "Westminster"
    parties are stating the former will not happen ...
     
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  20. Purley

    Purley Well-Known Member

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    If scotland can't get a currency union with the uk then surely they won't be able to join the EU without being in the euro?
     
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