First of all I'm not wumming, I'm geniuinley interested in your thoughts on how the transfer policy at Utd has changed. Is this as some would say panic buying to try and stay in contention for top 4 or is this a genuine new direction that the club are going in? Spending like you have is no problem you have the revenue but spending like this again if these transfers do not work out is surely not an option? With the above quote from Fergie it really brings home how things have changed and in such a short space of time. Without doubt there are some good youngsters in your squad so the whole approach hasn't been ababdoned, I've been very impressed with Blackett and Keane also looks good. Where do you think you go from here? Is this a quick fix and then it's back to developing youngsters and buying players at a sensible price or is the recent activity the new Utd?
I did say I'm not wumming and was trying to open a debate about an interesting topic. You moan enough about wums so why be a cock when someone posts a sensible thread?
I think the fact is we have made up for the last four or five summers of lacking investment and done it all in one. I don't see the issue.
United should always aim to sign top class players to complement homegrown players. We're one of the biggest clubs in the world but haven't been behaving like it for a few years. The fearful will point to the transfer fees and wages to deflect from the fact that we've signed two of the best players in the world but everyone knows they will pay for themselves in shirt sales. And we do still invest in youth, even when we spend big. Shaw is a teenager who made PL team of the season and had everyone raving about him when he was a Saints player. Nothing's changed other than the club he's registered with and the bitterness of the fans who hate United.
Without a doubt the money was there to spend. So do you think it will be back to the right player at the right price in future transfer windows?
Out of all the signings Shaw made the most sense even with that big fee as he'll be there for many years and if he improves will hold a transfer fee if you are to sell him. With the others I suppose it's wait and see, if they do well and you get top 4 then it has worked well.
Every time someone says "I am not wumming" it turns out to be exactly that. Like on the lines of your cheques in the post, and another one about a promise and mouth, but I can't quiet recall that one
"we’re not like other clubs who can spend fortunes on proven goods" That's always been bollocks imo. Utd have always been able to compete with other clubs on proven goods. We competed with Blackburn, Newcastle, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and now City. The difference is that we didn't spend fortunes on loads of players all at once, and instead kept our powder dry for the one big purchase we needed. Keane, Cole, Yorke, Stam, Rio, Veron, RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney, Hargreaves, Berb, RVP etc, we all paid top dollar for and usually with competition from other clubs. When we needed them, we splashed the cash without much thought. We were outbid for some, not for others, same as most clubs. The only real difference now is that SAF has gone, and his idea of rebuilding the team around players like Jones, Smalling, De Gea, Zaha, Rafael, Cleverley, Welbeck etc doesn't match the approach of LVG. So we need to buy more players all at once. Time will tell if it's going to be a wholesale change away from the model of bringing young players through, or whether once we get past this initial change period we will go back to only bringing in big names every couple of seasons.
Its a pity UTD dont have a high enough quality of youth to replenish the ranks, but this happens and UTD ghave to spend big to keep up with the likes of Swansea and Vila
This. Our biggest problem has been not addressing problem areas for some time now and it's come to bite us on the ass. I have no problem with the club spending the money it's earned. I'll leave that to the rival fans as it's clearly upsetting a lot of them.
This RS f**er is obviously trying to wum, even if he tries to be hide it... To answer his question, at first the club was gladly happy to follow Ferguson's advice and his MO. That is keep the show going, long term manager, keep the squad going, replacing those leaving and retiring like he did with quality players, injecting youth players as they grow. When Moyes didn't deliver through a mixture of his own incompetence and the players f**ing up themselves, that optioon looked increasingly unviable. This is what happened with Busby last time. The new manager was s**t scared of upsetting him. Each time there was a problem he would run to Busby. Or even worse the players would do so. Moyes and the squad failed miserably and the GGs got scared. LVG got the benefit of having Moyes doing really badly. We all knew that the second job after SAF was the one they all want. The club being at a low ebb means they have to buy more quality and expensive players than they would normally do. No surprise in that. Paying over the odds. No surprise in that too. United are in a weak postion to negotiate. No CL and if you do not pay the high wages, they will go elsewhere. No big deal. Injecting youth will have to wait until the team is established at the top again. And when we have CL football. It may be next season or later. It may be with LVG or some other manager. It may be with the GGs or other owners. Who knows? What is certain United will get back there ... PS: I said when SAF retired that the club will need to behave like any othe top club like Real, City, The chavs to stay at the top. The only person who could run the model aginst the grain (because of his long term tenure) was no longer there. That means spending big and buying top players. The GGs have now realised that.
Never mind the fact that I've been posting about it since in a non-wum fashion and that you've responded yourself.
I tried to introduce the same question with my 'Are Manchester United losing their, er, Manchester Unitedness'. Chief closed it
Been patient so far, but this clown is just as bad at wumming as some of the dippers. At least with Bodanski and Drogs you get common sense. Time for another to join my list of ignores
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For what it's worth I actually think Utd have done exactly what they should have done given the circumstances. For the majority of the last 3 decades there hasn't been a Utd squad that didn't have any players that rival teams didn't covet. That's what has been handed over to Van Gaal,a squad utterly bereft of any top quality players in their peak years. Finances don't really affect Utd like they do with their rivals because of their vast income so it really made sense to get some top quality additions to the squad whatever the cost. If it enables Utd to get back in the top 4 the cost will be negligible anyway. I would be very concerned if I was an Arsenal fan because there are 3 better sides,city Chelsea and Liverpool who will probably finish above them and because they've not strengthened they've left themselves wide open for Utd to overtake them this season
As a neutral I came onto this board thinking the same thought as the thread starter. It was a geniune question I hoped man utd fans could answer. Growing up man utd have always had a great core of players, but when things started to not achieve, sir Alex would reinvent the team with that same core but add youth and it would work! Obviously sir Alex isn't there anymore and things had to change. LVG has seen that utd need a new direction and philosophy. No one can argue with the quality of player bought in. Usually they bought good young players and made them world class players. Just wanted to hear the people who know more about oppions of utd fans of this change of directions as opposed to the times I mentioned above.
some very valid points Laz-ee saint. we have had 25 yrs of bliss with SAF. Just hoping LVG can continue with that
