It's clearly something you feel strongly about but I feel you're overplaying the 'concern' card here. If we get away with it, then we get away with it. If FIFA rule against us we will have to cough the money up and maybe get fined as well. I don't think the rest of the footballing world is 'bovvered', Swansea City ain't 'bovvered' and I ain't 'bovvered'. (That's a Catherine Tate-ism).
I have calculated the money, if owing to be around £500,000 to £750, 000, not the sort of funds to be shouting your big mouth over now is it, surely these small sums, (And they are small at this level) should be sorted out behind closed doors, hope you can get my drift now swanselona son!..............
If its such an insignificant amount why put our reputation on the line . We're stealing off the sort of team we pretty well use to be .We've come a long way but forgot where we came from ...nothing short of shamefull and many , many clubs know it and will be ready for any dealings with us , the ones that choose to anyways ...amateurs in the boardroom , period
So why are we trying to wriggle out from paying it. Do you know what I don't get, is how some of you are not more concerned about this? How your trying to make out its insignificant, that other clubs might follow in our footsteps. Blimey, talk about one-eyed. If another club was doing this to us, tell me, would all you be thinking the same? IF, and as said before, IF, the club has tried getting away without paying the sell on fee, then I hope that we get our comeuppance, I don't care if any of you think thats wrong to expect our club to be held accountable for something it may have done wrong, but I would do the same whether it was a friend or family member too, I don't pretend its ok to do when its by something/someone close to me, and that it makes it all ok, and insignificant. Treat people how you wish to be treated, is something I grew up with, and I stand by that. I would not want another club doing it to us, and I certainly don't want us doing it to other clubs. Because you can bet your bottom dollar, if, IF we are found to have done this badly, it will affect our future transfers for players who we would add sell on fee's into, it will cause us more harm than good. Bury your head all you want, defend that which has an interest to you, me personally, I think that is just as wrong. One rule for one right?
I also believe IF we are in the wrong we pay what we owe , with a penalty. Maybe then Jenkins can be shocked into understanding the repruccisions of stupid decisions and get him on track, its like teaching a lab rat to feed himself .
Spot on post swanselona - particularly about how some fans don't seem bothered. To me that's just Premiership arrogance. Funny how some have short memories - I remember the cold, wet n' windy nights down the Vetch like yesterday and I'm sure others do too. It's important to remember our roots imo and not try and pull a fast one on smaller clubs - or anyone else for that matter. Reputation means a lot in business.
To all those who believe that Swansea behaved dishonestly in this, what do you think think the transfer value of Vorm actually was? How much? How man y £s? Actual numbers please. You show me yours and I'll show you mine, and explain why I think what I do.
£20 million , but value dropped to three and six in old money during negotiations with Spurs....for some unknown reason....I think Vorm must have offended Huw by moaning about the way he always jingles his coins in his pocket...it is a very annoying habit....
I think Vorm's valuation in any of the transfer dealings was at minimum of £2.5m, and at most £4m, Id edge closer to the £2.5m though. Why do I think this? Vorm was purchased for £1.5m, that is how much he was valued at before playing a game for us. He then went on to be our number 1 keeper for 3 seasons. On Sept 2012 he signed a new 4 year contract, which means at the time of sale, he still had 2 years left on his contract. He is the 3rd choice international keeper for Holland. IF it was his last year, and he was no longer first choice, and hadn't travelled to Brazil with the Dutch team, then maybe. So if you can explain to me how our first choice keeper for 3 seasons, who still had 2 years left on his contract, is 3rd choice for Holland, and purchased for approx £1.5m, is valued at £0, then I am all ears.
Vorms value has to be above the £5m mark even though his form had dropped with us. He is an international keeper after all. but the main point is why our own fans think we are in the wrong??? Who says apart from the dutch team ???? all i hear is hatred towards someone doing what he thinks is the best deal for the club. I dont call that wrong at all!! I see that as someone who knows more about our dealings than any fan on here that you can bet on....Who knows who is right or who is wrong but for our own fans to say things like jinx will get his comeuppance and the board is run by a bunch of amateurs is beyond belief and you wonder if they are swans fans at all.
We have one transfer of a PL 2nd string keeper in this transfer window where the price is known. That was Ospina who went from Nice to Arsenal for £3m http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28508854 . That gives us a marker price for current value. Ospina was No.1 keeper at Nice and they very much wanted to keep him. Ospina helped Columbia to the quarter finals in Brazil where they got clogged out of the compettition by Brazil and the referee. Nice are quite a big club with several Ligue 1 Championships in their past. He went to Arsenal as No.2 keeper. The quote from Wenger "You will see next season the quality of this player" makes it clear that he intends to select him. Vorm went from being at best No.2 after Fabianski (more on that later) to No.3 at Spurs where he is not yet making the bench, nor is there any indication that he will do so in the near future. Vorm was very good in his first season, less so in his 2nd season, but then like most defenders, his form suffered under Laudrup. He got injured, and on return from injury he was outright poor. It is easy to remember early Vorm and forget how out of form he was last May. https://thejackarmy.net/threads/vorm-we-must-learn-lessons.3305/ . Look at the comments. Strong feelings. He went to Brazil as No.2 but was rapidly demoted to No.3 and was only given time on the pitch as a pleasant courtesy by Van Gaal in the last game when the game was all over. So we are looking at a maximum price I think of £2m, but there is more to it than that. The new (and *very* impressive) back triangle makes integral use of Fabianski's ability to dominate his area. The No.2 keeper has to plug into that. That is somewhere that Vorm has always been weak and Tremmel is unquestionably better than him. For that reason I am fairly sure that Tremmel would have been No.2 keeper even if Vorm had stayed. He was nearly as good if not better than Vorm all of last season and the last thing you want to have to do when replace the keeper is to adjust the whole defensive system (Back triangle: CBs + GK). As a defender it is bad enough having a different bloke coming in behind you without having to reassign everything because he isn't good enough to play the system. So Swansea were stuck with a keeper who they didn't want, off form, on high wages. Somone has pointed out that Vorm was on a long contract. With a player on form that is an asset, with an off form player it is a liability and would reduce his value, not increase it. Nobody pays transfer fees on the form that a player might achieve, unless he is young an improving. If he is 30 and deteriorating, they don't. Swansea wanted to move him on, and Spurs weren't too bothered. Swansea also needed to do it this window. A GK on high wages who isn't even making the bench will get harder and harder to shift. So 'now' was a very good idea. So what do I think the final value was? £1m to £1.5m, no more than that. I liked Vorm in his first season and I hope he can get it all back together, but he hasn't got it at the moment.
He may not have performed as good as the previous season but he was still bloody good most of the time....
Its not that we want the club to be in the wrong Dai, but I honestly cannot understand how they can say he went for nothing. Can you honestly imagine us getting rid of Vorm for absolutely nothing, and still pay full value for Siggy in return? I cannot say that I think the club done right, when I believe we done wrong, I don't care if anyone likes it or not, but I cannot see any reason, even from those with the crazy ideas that would justify him being worth £0. Even if part of a swap deal, his transfer had value, which is where I think (again this is my opinion only) is where the club are trying to say he went for nothing, by trying to be clever. It is my opinion, and I could be wrong, that Swans and Spurs come to an agreement, where we had money off the Siggy deal in return for Vorm, which still means Vorm had value. We may have skimped it on paper, but he had value none the less. If it all comes out and I am wrong, then I will admit I am wrong, but I cannot see any reason why he would be worth £0.
