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The Breakfast Debate

Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by ellandback, Aug 28, 2014.

  1. ellandback

    ellandback Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The dark clouds are hovering over Elland Road, and I am not just talking about the weather.....

    Good Morning everyone!!!

    How are we?

    Another shocking display of ill discipline, inept tactics, lack of confidence and generally being outplayed. That is how, we, the Leeds fans have seen our campaign for the 2014-15 season start. Lets see how Dave views it...


    Hockaday says he thought Leeds would have been worth their win and were "getting stronger" as the game went on....

    Hockaday says he's still convinced that the team are going in the right direction - and that the players are behind him....

    Hockaday said he didn't see the need for subs until Bradford went ahead. "The players could have gone for another 30 minutes."

    Hockaday: "My players haven't let me down. One player has done something totally out of character. We almost climbed the mountain."


    What are our thoughts on the Hocks comments? Would anyone have described beating Bradford, as climbing a mountain?


    When we took the lead against the run of play, with only a few minutes remaining, how did we not manage to keep the lead?


    Look at Bradford's players! They signed 10 players in the Summer, 8 were freebies, and two were loanees, one of which wasn't allowed to play last night.

    Who is not good enough? I'm sorry, but for me you have to add Poleon's name to that. You don't miss from 2 yards. You put your foot through the net, its an instinct.

    Poleon needs to have a long hard think as to whether he should be a football player or not. Disgraceful. On a positive note Adryan arrives at Elland Road at some point today. If all goes well a season long long will be signed, subject to personal terms and agreeing a fee if it turns permanent.







     
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  2. BillysStatue

    BillysStatue Well-Known Member

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    Morning elland ... Hock is pathetic, really pathetic and should never be in charge of any team ... we are in fact busy tumbling down the mountain and bouncing off rocks along the way, and every tumble brings more damage ... the one thing that stands out for me is that the players are NOT behind Hock, regardless of what he says ... our dressing room knows he's dead man walking, and they are tuning out rapidly because the truth is they don't have to impress him, they simply have to wait for the new man to come in because as sure as the sun rising tomorrow, Hock being sacked very soon is a sure thing ... Cellino needs to act now because keeping Hock will not improve things at all, the damage has been done as everyone expected it would, and a better replacement needs to be appointed now
     
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  3. BoggersMOT

    BoggersMOT Well-Known Member

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    Mornign Elland, morning those joining. The Hock is right about one thing. The 10 that played most of the match and the subs he used put in one hell of a shift. For that they deserve to be applauded and the Hock will probably have earned a stay of execution. The only player needing shooting is Murphy. He'll serve a one match ban, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see him not in the starting XI for a while, or even on the bench. He's just been given a yellow card, and according to LUTV was lucky not to get a straignt red. Surely its not beyond the wit of man to know you're walking a tightrope and should therefore stay on your feet in every tackle. Prat.

    Also judging from what they were sying on LUTV the guys put in a fine shift and played as well as they could in the circumstances. This was a local derby cup tie. It required experience rather than fancydan Italian soft shoe shuffling. This in part explain why the Hock chose he side he did and why few of our Italian youngsters or the kids didn't start. Had Murphy not made a prat of himself, I am sure we would have won.

    What have I misssed regarding Poleon? What's he done now?

    Any truth in the rumour that some of our meatheads ripped up a few seats?
     
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  4. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Morning all. I commented enough last night, got into a foul mood etc so comments on the goings on will be few and far between today from me. Poleon useless end of. No more to say there. Murphy useless and couldn't care less if he never plays for us again let alone after a one match suspension. If adryan signs he won't be let play anyway same as the other dozen or so. No positives from last night at all. Our freebie goalie was man of the match and that's all that needs saying. I was one of the ones pushing for the Hock to I get ten matches to give him a chance. He's blown that mainly thanks to his reluctance or inability to change team selections, tactics, substitutions etc.
    The next appointment by Cellino as coach or whatever will be one of the most important in our clubs history, he better get it right
     
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  5. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    This was the 4th sending off this season (3 weeks) we've had more players shown the red card than had shots at goal. That tell us that the players are trying too hard, which means Hock is at fault.

    Last night yet again we hardly had a go at goal until the 80th minute, which tells us that tactically Hock is garbage. Yes we were trying to move the ball around but between the back 4 and the midfield instead of giving some service to Smith and Sharp who were coming back into midfield to get a touch. Why play with strikers?

    The team fielded last night was yet again full of last seasons men, why???? Hock says some of the newbies are not match fit yet. Ideal opportunity then last night to give them game time, but for some stupid reason Hock again can't use his head.

    Warnock, Tonge, Norris & Poleon are not good enough just like the coach
     
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  6. leeds60

    leeds60 Well-Known Member

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    Good morning from a damp Cote de Bardsey to Matt and co
    Well if you have read my notes recently I said that he would be sacked after the game on Saturday this will give the new coach time to get to kjnow the players and time for bonding of all the new boys of which there could be as many as 16!
    Hunt Norris Poleon etc should by then have departed to Blackpool to help them get relegated!
    So there is plenty to look for ward too lets hope its damaged limitations I hope
     
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  7. san-ho-zay

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    Taylor - played
    Cooper - played
    Bianchi - played
    Sharp - played

    Silvestri - bench
    Benedicic - bench
    Ajose - bench

    Berardi - concussion from attempting an overhead kick in training :emoticon-0145-shake
    Bellusci - suspended following red card
    Sloth - just signed, not eligible?
    Antenucci - not in squad
    Doukara - injured

    Not sure why Antenucci was not even in the squad. Benedicic has yet to have his debut, although a derby cup tie would probably not have been the best choice, given what happened with Bellusci and Berardi. Ajose's pace might have been useful with 11 on the pitch but would he be good enough in defence with 10 men if you left Sharp on to get a goal?

    Murphy's stupidity was obvious but this Berardi doesn't seem to be the brightest either; sent off for a kung-fu kick and banged his head trying an overhead volley?
     
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  8. RCDM

    RCDM Well-Known Member

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    You really think Warnock isn't good enough?

    I think he's one of the few that is good enough.

    Having said that, i would have started with Taylor last night to give him some game time and Warnock a rest, but thats not a slight on Warnock, thats just because Taylors shown he could be half decent as well.
     
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  9. bucks_is_leeds

    bucks_is_leeds Jonny big spuds Forum Moderator

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    Norris played well.

    Chippy, what happened off the pitch? Sky wouldn't give it any coverage.

    Morning all.
     
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  10. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Morning Bucks, I agree, Norris was excellent
     
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  11. leeds60

    leeds60 Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm off now taking 2 of my grandchildren to Brid then to 147 for fish and chips
    See my favourite fish restaurant the Magpie gets a mention in Peter Robinsons latest book Abattoir Blues
    Lets hope the Brazilian signs today
    mike
     
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  12. DamnedUnited

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    Morning all, the antibiotics have finally kicked in and I'm out of bed <ok>

    Heard parts of the match last night, so I'm not in a position to comment on player performance but there are some glaring issues in our squad. I agree in part with Doc that the discipline shows the players "trying too hard" but it also stems from them chasing the game and trying to recover mistakes. Are they so unhappy playing the current system that they can't understand how to get the basic roles right? Now I am no fan of the diamond, far from it and I think the Hock is crazy for persisting with it. But these are professional footballers, they should be able to play a system and understand the roles.

    Also, I would like to think Cellino is an intelligent man. However, the fact he is persisting with the Hock is making me think the contrary. Does he not realise that every farcical game that goes by its HIS reputation as well that is taking a hit. It's simply two faced to criticise Hock and then blindly support the man who put him in charge. Cellino needs to admit he made a mistake and rectify it NOW before it gets any worse.

    As for the quote:

    Hockaday said he didn't see the need for subs until Bradford went ahead. "The players could have gone for another 30 minutes."

    Is Hockaday actually just a fitness coach and nothing else?! How do you not see that playing away, down to 10 men, 1 goal up with 8 minutes to go you make CONSERVATIVE changes and see the game out. Bradford were obviously going to throw everything at us at that point. The fact he failed to see/react to that threat just makes me despair. Basic football management.
     
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  13. milkyboy

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    I always thought Norris was a decent footballer, but 3 successive managers have kept him clear of the match day squad despite us having a terrible midfield. I assumed from that that they knew something I didn't. He wasn't that good last night, no one was, but he certainly put in a shift. In the shop window maybe? Or just trying to make an impression.

    Same old same old for me. A midfield who don't look comfortable enough on the ball and can't seem to keep possession... Which when your down to 10 men you need to do to reduce pressure and get a breather.
     
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  14. Eireleeds1

    Eireleeds1 Well-Known Member

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    Enough of the hard work, putting in shifts etc stuff. When is the last time we had players capable of running at opponents, taking them on and creating proper chances. **** me, I can't even remember. This **** has gone on way too long and time fans stopped being satisfied with players that are only capable of putting in a shift at our club. We deserve far better
     
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  15. Infidel

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    Morning all and everyone, i stayed up AGAIN last night to watch that dross, this is all MC fault, he chose the the so called coach/manager, he has injected the sphagetti munchers who obviously are not good enough!!!

    Murphy is as much use as tits on a boar hog, i spotted Sharp in the second half with his hands on his hips looking down field with his back to goal, I wonder what was going through his mind? i know what was going through mine!!! what a set of useless ****ers.

    The best performance again last night were the fans, they are true stars each and everyone of them <applause>

    Oh i nearly forgot to mention **** OFF hockaday you are a person earning money under false intentions.
     
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  16. DamnedUnited

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    10000000000x this.

    I get irrationally angry when seeing people use "we/he put in a shift" as some sort of justification for another abject performance now.
     
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  17. DamnedUnited

    DamnedUnited Well-Known Member

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    Seeing rumours of Stoke being after Mowatt? Would be a big loss. Can we dress Tonge/Norris/Austin/Murphy as him and send one of them instead?
     
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  18. kiwi

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    Could not agree more. The one time we moved the ball quickly and got a ball in the box, we scored! Absolutely ridiculous that it took them 82 minutes to realise that. Our whole midfield 'tries hard' but achieve **** all. We lack any sort of pace, creativity or flair. What on earth does Bianchi actually do, other than give the ball away every 30 seconds? We desperately need more quality, trying hard just doesn't cut it.
     
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  19. Doc

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    Besides the chipped cross for Smith's goal, and the headless chicken work rate I thought Norris was shyte. No wonder he hasn't played for 18-months, so why pick him ahead of someone who has a future at the club. Murphy fooking idiot but always on the cards after not getting a straight red, anyone could see we potentially had a problem waiting to happen. Hock you're a dick, but Murphy was doing ok besides being a suicide player. Poleon should have scored so another who can fook off. Warnock wasn't fantastic and sprayed balls backwards and sideways instead of going forward, too predictable. Tonge sorry but not good enough. I would say Wootton had a decent game but isn't a right back and just like Warnock was guilty of going backwards and sideays.

    Taylor (GK) had a great game and he's better than Paddy, Bianchi was great but needed competent midfielders to play with. Had a look of Gareth Barry but passing not quite as good as him. Sharp and Smith needed some service but why wasn't Antonnuci given game time, why wasn't Benedicic given game time. Cooper after a couple of silly mistakes looks good and although Pearce isn't my first choice starter he did ok last night.
     
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