People's sexuality isn't that big a deal these days. I worked with a transvestite bouncer in Nottingham who was equally respected by the rest of us. 'Neanderthal knuckle dragging bouncers' wouldn't be thought of 'by society' as the most tolerant and liberal minded people so, if they're happy to accept a gay as an equal, I can't see how it's such a massive problem for someone like Gascoigne to declare his true leanings. As for his 'alcoholism' it's not a case of blame unless he simply chooses to get pissed every day, then he is to blame. Getting pissed every day doesn't automatically mean you're an alcoholic ........ it sometimes means you have the means, motive & opportunity. In my opinion he has all three ..... if he drinks through choice then his family may believe there's plenty to blame him for.
alcoholic is someone who is mentally and psychically dependant on alcohol, getting pissed everyday wouldn't be advised but yes it doesn't mean you're an alcoholic, but probably on the start to it it's obvious he is an alcoholic, you're reasoning for his behaviour is because he is repressing his true feeling of being homosexual?
I know what you're saying but it isn't really obvious. Is a lard-arse who stuffs his face every day mentally ill or just a weak willed t**t who likes shoving s**te down his face from dawn to dusk? Yes I know that everyone, these days, is a victim and not to blame but, to me, that just encourages people by giving them an excuse. If Gascoigne was a middle aged bloke, on your street,who doesn't work or do anything worthwhile, who goes out getting smashed and crashing cars would you defend him? Perhaps you would but absolving everyone of all blame doesn't help them in my view.
i'm not defending him, i don't give one ounce a a **** tbh, but it's obvious he's an alcoholic, it's a physiological illness, where your body needs alcohol, he's had enough chances and if he gets a new liver like best and still carries on i'll be angry he's had enough chances, i'm sick of hearing about him, he's seen more coppers than the bank of england
That's where we'll have to disagree mate. I know **** all about the bloke, other than the stuff we all know, from the tabloids etc. I just believe he's a daft lad who likes a drink and has nothing and no one to stop him.
Alcoholism begins as a mental dependency, and dependency is what it is, for the alcohol (or the feeling of being 'drunk') long before it becomes a physical one. If you can sort out the issues, or however you want to phrase it, that cause the person to want/need to drink, then that's the first step of 'curing' an alcoholic.
Thank you fella, you talk so much sense. Alcoholism is a by-product of deeper rooted issues. Trying to combat the drink is utterly pointless unless the root of the problem is addressed. Continuous cognitive behavioural therapy and occupational therapy is absolutely imperative to have any chance of gaining any kind of long term remission, throwing money at a clinic where they can dry out is a waste of time, it's papering over the cracks. The state is obliged to uphold a duty of care to anybody who's a danger to themselves. Gazza should be sectioned and treated appropriately for his blatant mental health problems and even more so, to save his life when he clearly isn't sound of mind to save his own. Unfortunately substandard mental health care, an area of health that is pisstakingly underfunded and a lack of understanding from the masses mean people like Gazza are ten a penny in this country.
I think it's fair to say a bit of what Smug says and a bit of what Bri is saying is probably the truth here regarding Gascoigne. Nobody (to my knowledge) is forced into an alcohol addiction, it always starts off with a choice. But RAW summed it up earlier by pinpointing Gascoignes flaws as a human being, he probably has suffered from his own generosity, besides the fact he surrounded himself with people who just used him essentially. The addiction becomes real, it isn't a psychological battle as with smoking, the body does start to rely on alcohol to function. I'm not sure if it's always a bi-product, I think it's also fair to say it's a mental issue in itself. Gascoigne is holding a bottle of gin in the picture, which is a depressant, and that could tell us more than just what his favourite tipple is. It wouldn't surprise me if Gascoigne is depressed beyond belief because he had the world at his feet and then lost it all, he's only human after all. The post mortem when he eventually dies, will 100% conclude that alcohol abuse killed him (unless something really unfortunate happens in the meantime) and not the depression or whatever mental issues he may or may not suffer from. That's the problem, it's always the Modus Operandum that people are looking for to be able to put a lid on dead bodies and chuck them in the ground, all because mental health issues and in particular the human brain are too difficult to understand. If a guy drives off a bridge and commits suicide "Car crash victim dies" not a moments regard for his mental state. I dunno what's wrong with PG but I do know he's had more cracks of the whip than AP McCoy and this time he may be on his own.
You made some good points terry and focusing on one, the gin, you're correct as alcohol itself is a depressant. It can almost become a bit chicken and egg as pg himself is accentuating his depression in the long run by drinking. That the sad thing. By seeking to self medicate on alcohol as a short term fix, he's actually contributing to his own problems which probably had him drinking in the first place.
I'm afraid one thing it's fairly safe to say is that Gazza doesn't have the intelligence required to deal with the rigours of his world. Found it hilarious that Redknapp was all over the press saying he'd offered him a job. Harry's only doing that for one person's glory and it ain't Gazza. Or Rosie the dog. Waddle was kind enough to write a lovely message to Gazza on twitter, a picture of them together with the words "love you mate". Didn't address it to Gazza so there's a strong possibility Gazza hasn't seen it but again, the press cover it. Sad thing is that Gazza is still being used this time in a social media and press driven popularity contest. I like what Lineker said, not I'm his best mate, not I love him, not I tried to help him... He needs to help himself.
You been taking selfies again Terry I always read these 'mental health/addiction/victim' threads with interest. Alcoholics/druggies/glue sniffers are always portrayed as helpless victims at the mercy of a poor NHS and an indifferent society. Isn't there a possibility that there's some who just like getting smashed and don't give a **** about the consequences? Many addicts pull themselves out of the gutter because their responsibilities hit home or simply because they don't have endless funds. Gascoigne seems unable or unwilling to put his responsibilities to his family & friends above his own needs & wishes. If he was 'a bloke on your street' he'd probably be regarded as a waster ........ but because he's 'daft as brush Gazza' some people always seem to want to blame his family & friends. The friends & wife were his own choice just as his lifestyle is. In my opinion, the people who encouraged him by laughing at his stupidity, the belching farting face-pulling ****e, share the blame. Even the BBC news would call him 'Gazza', like he was a 9 year old scamp, pat him on the head and report every tongue poke as if it was high comedy. No wonder he thought that acting the twat was wonderful when half the nation lapped it up. TBH, if a mate walked into your local wearing false tits and belching you'd tell him **** off home and give his head a good shake.
That's a very good point and, you're right, it's very sad. Which I believe reinforces my point that, when he goes, the Newcastle supporters will be out on the streets demonstrating just how grief stricken they are ...... whereas now there's a deafening silence from up there. There are endless threads on endless forums, from various supporters of various clubs, but virtually nowt on Tyneside. When Bobby Robson passed away they seemed to want SJP to be the centre of attention. This despite him being from Durham and having much longer, and much more success, at other clubs where he received much better treatment.
I'd agree with all of that, with regards to the bit in bold I don't think anybody would argue that. He's advocated binge drinking long before he was a full blown alcoholic, he must have been thinking 'it won't happen to me', or maybe he wasn't clever enough to understand the realism of what lay infront of him.
I've judged H Redknapp on face value for years, which is why I think he's a bit of a nugget and a cancer to the modern game in terms of not exercising financial responsibility; his williingness to let the board deal with the mess at QPR really disgusts me, it should be everybody's responsibility to ensure the long term stability of a football club. So having said that, it'd be unfair for me to judge him as having an ulterior motive, I don't think it was an empty gesture from Harry, I think he genuinely wants to do something for the guy.
Can't agree there Terry ...... I don't think there's a supporter in the country who'd want Gascoigne involved in their club. Redknapp knows there's not even a vague possibility that he'll accept the 'offer'. If he was genuine he'd have kept the offer between the two of them, not announce it on TV. He wants Gascoigne to 'coach the kids' ..... if I was a parent I'd be looking to switch clubs tbh. Does Redknapp really believe that 'cone arranging' for 11 year olds would help someone with Gascoigne's problems?
Hahaha I asked for that one! I think Gascoigne started out as an idiot with no regards for his personal health, but I think it's also pretty obvious that he's an addict now. He has the tell-tale shaking signs, the mumbling even when sober, the malnutrition look, the signs of anxiety (which I believe are easier to spot when you've had it like Bri infers). Nobody will argue with you that he's got there on his own, he's messed his own life up and along the way he's thought it was all a big joke until he realised he was in too deep. My father died (suicide) as a result of his inability to deal with his alcohol addiction, more to the point he could no longer fund it. I have therefore taken a lot of time researching the condition to ascertain where I put myself in regards to my inability to feel anything towards him. I concluded long ago that he chose his own path and was always aware of the consequences, he was offered treatment and chose the alcohol enough times before he was really in too deep, that's the reason I feel absolutely nothing at all. I guess my point is that outsiders often try to convince me that it was out of his control, he was sick. That wasn't the case, they don't have all the information so I don't think it's entirely fair to say exactly what Gascgoine is going through, very few will actually know the full story. All we can do it look at it and make our best assumptions based on what we do know. Apologies again for another long post!
I'd agree with that mate, I wouldn't want him, but as per my opinion of Harry, he doesn't think about consequences, I do think he's that simple.
Exactly ........ making a 'diagnosis', that he's severely mentally ill or just a reckless pisshead, based on next to nowt, is pure speculation. Everyone knows an addict, of some kind, but it doesn't make us experts who can dismiss the views of others.
