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Who are you?

  • Rosberg

    Votes: 2 8.7%

  • Hamilton

    Votes: 17 73.9%

  • Riccardo

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Vettel

    Votes: 3 13.0%

  • Alonso

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Raikkonen

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Massa

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Bottas

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Hulkenberg

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Perez

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other?

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
allsaintchris. said:
The Mercedes were quick last year over one lap, not to the extent that they are this year, but as you say, it's over a number of laps now where they have the advantage as they have learnt how not to chew through tyres. If they had sorted this last year then Vettel would have had a harder fight of it.
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I think it's more to do with how they have their ERS set up, they can use it all lap every lap, whereas the Ferrai's and Renaults are only able to do it every other lap, and thanks to the rules they can't change their systems until 2015. Pirelli's harder tyres have helped a bunch too, but I think if it were just the tyres someone else would've caught up by now.
 
Miggins said:
I think it's more to do with how they have their ERS set up, they can use it all lap every lap, whereas the Ferrai's and Renaults are only able to do it every other lap, and thanks to the rules they can't change their systems until 2015. Pirelli's harder tyres have helped a bunch too, but I think if it were just the tyres someone else would've caught up by now.
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Mercedes are also quickest in the corners, so i'd say their engine is not only much more powerful but much lighter. Which will obviously give them less tyre wear, better handling, acceleration, braking, stability, essentially everything. I doubt any of the other teams (apart from maybe Williams) are anywhere near the minimum weight limit, especially at the rear, Mercedes are probably using ballast to get above it, their car looks far more stable in the corners, the Red Bull and Ferrari look like they have way too much weight at the back.
 
BamalamaFizzVaj said:
Mercedes are also quickest in the corners, so i'd say their engine is not only much more powerful but much lighter. Which will obviously give them less tyre wear, better handling, acceleration, braking, stability, essentially everything. I doubt any of the other teams (apart from maybe Williams) are anywhere near the minimum weight limit, especially at the rear, Mercedes are probably using ballast to get above it, their car looks far more stable in the corners, the Red Bull and Ferrari look like they have way too much weight at the back.
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their lighter weight is also a by-product of their ERS system, rather than go for a battery that can hold the maximum they decided to go with one half the size, saving about 20kg in weight and making it quicker to charge up.
 
Miggins said:
I think it's more to do with how they have their ERS set up, they can use it all lap every lap, whereas the Ferrai's and Renaults are only able to do it every other lap, and thanks to the rules they can't change their systems until 2015. Pirelli's harder tyres have helped a bunch too, but I think if it were just the tyres someone else would've caught up by now.
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According to the technical rules Appendix 3 : Power Unit Energy Flow, the power units are allowed to harvest 4MJ per lap but only use 2MJ per lap. So how does the Mercedes powered cars benefit against the Ferrari and Renault powered cars?

BamalamaFizzVaj said:
Mercedes are also quickest in the corners, so i'd say their engine is not only much more powerful but much lighter. Which will obviously give them less tyre wear, better handling, acceleration, braking, stability, essentially everything. I doubt any of the other teams (apart from maybe Williams) are anywhere near the minimum weight limit, especially at the rear, Mercedes are probably using ballast to get above it, their car looks far more stable in the corners, the Red Bull and Ferrari look like they have way too much weight at the back.
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The Power Units have to comply with, not only weight rules but also centre of gravity rules. The Power unit in the Williams is identical to the Power Unit in the Mercedes.

The weight distribution between front and rear is also strictly regulated and controlled.

The Red Bull team, especially Daniel Ricciardo, are outperforming their machinery. Fernando Alonso is also dragging a dog of a car far above where it should be.

Read the rules and then enjoy watching racing. But please do not make up things.
 
GramP said:
According to the technical rules Appendix 3 : Power Unit Energy Flow, the power units are allowed to harvest 4MJ per lap but only use 2MJ per lap. So how does the Mercedes powered cars benefit against the Ferrari and Renault powered cars?



The Power Units have to comply with, not only weight rules but also centre of gravity rules. The Power unit in the Williams is identical to the Power Unit in the Mercedes.

The weight distribution between front and rear is also strictly regulated and controlled.

The Red Bull team, especially Daniel Ricciardo, are outperforming their machinery. Fernando Alonso is also dragging a dog of a car far above where it should be.

Read the rules and then enjoy watching racing. But please do not make up things.
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lol wut? maybe its you who needs to read the rules <laugh> there are minimum weights; overall, and front and rear, as i said...and??? i don't see where else weight distribution of the car (not just the engine on its own) is "strictly regulated and controlled", maybe if it were there wouldn't be multiple seconds a lap difference between the cars at the front. I don't see what difference it makes, Mercedes clearly have huge advantages in multiple areas of the car, if not all of them. What are you trying to imply, that they don't have a huge advantage?!

You seem to think all the teams are magically right on the limits of the rules, the way they've introduced the dramatic engine regulations then immediately banned development has rather obviously made it not the case, as i said Mercedes may be close to the minimum weight limits and maximum power limits but the other engine manufacturers sure as hell aren't, they barely got them functioning before the first race of the season.
 
Apparently Mercedes aren't doing anything outside the regs, they have simply come up with an all-round great package out of the box... Which somebody was bound to do with such a drastic change. The car is easily the class of the field.

I can see how there needs to be some "leveling" of the field for the sake of competition, but they have done a far better job... Just as Red Bull, Ferrari, Brawn, Benetton, Williams have done in recent years.

I honestly hope they can naturally level competition next season. I can't help but feel cheated with such a crop of great drivers in the field. Let's face it, some of them are fast becoming veterans.
 
SgtBhaji said:
Apparently Mercedes aren't doing anything outside the regs, they have simply come up with an all-round great package out of the box... Which somebody was bound to do with such a drastic change. The car is easily the class of the field.

I can see how there needs to be some "leveling" of the field for the sake of competition, but they have done a far better job... Just as Red Bull, Ferrari, Brawn, Benetton, Williams have done in recent years.

I honestly hope they can naturally level competition next season. I can't help but feel cheated with such a crop of great drivers in the field. Let's face it, some of them are fast becoming veterans.
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yet the most obvious difference this year is the fact Mercedes dominance is practically celebrated, Ferrari and Red Bull especially rapidly became the most hated teams on the grid, with accusations of cheating and conspiracy theories galore. Suddenly seems like people aren't so interested in that kind of thing, and are more just desperately looking for any positives they can find and now rather frantically defending such dominance whenever possible.
 
Where are you seeing Mercedes being celebrated? Because on this side of the pond, I really don't see that at all. Nor do I really see it here on Not606. So I can't really comment on that side of things.
 
SgtBhaji said:
Where are you seeing Mercedes being celebrated? Because on this side of the pond, I really don't see that at all. Nor do I really see it here on Not606. So I can't really comment on that side of things.
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F1 doesn't revolve around not606. This is just general, everywhere you look kind of consensus.
 
BamalamaFizzVaj:6804784 said:
SgtBhaji said:
Where are you seeing Mercedes being celebrated? Because on this side of the pond, I really don't see that at all. Nor do I really see it here on Not606. So I can't really comment on that side of things.
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F1 doesn't revolve around not606. This is just general, everywhere you look kind of consensus.
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I never suggested it did... I stated that I don't see it here in the U.S. or here on this forum, which are my two major points of reference, hence why why I asked where you're seeing this Mercedes celebration.

I don't have the privilege of spending time in the paddock, but what I can gather from there, Mercedes are hardly celebrated either among the competition.
 
Hopefully Williams will pick up today, didn't look so good yesterday :(

Such a hot and twisty track I assume some will play it safe and go for race reliability rather than full speed.
 
BamalamaFizzVaj said:
F1 doesn't revolve around not606. This is just general, everywhere you look kind of consensus.
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Again, where are you seeing this?

The press are hardly over the moon about Mercedes domination, neither are the fans. No one thinks its good for F1. Hammy fans have little reason to be cheerful as Rosberg is ahead, so you can't blame them either.
 
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