Don't be daft man, I couldn't give a flying fig about players like him, nothing to do with bitterness, and all to do with the business of getting the right players here at the Liberty, and looking after the ones that deserve it, and clearly Michu is not one of those, he does not deserve any commendation after his petulance of last season, and clearly he wanted out and that's fine by me, and the sooner the better, as we can put his markup to better use, How much will we make Huw? Looks like we will make the top 40 of rich clubs this season!.............
Can you please point me to a post of yours where you condemn the clubs actions for telling both Canas and Pozuelo they are no longer needed by the club. Rather than let them see out their contract. or A post where you condemn HJ and the board for sacking Laudrup, rather than leaving him see out his contract.
Not sure what you're getting at swanselona. In both cases those players and the manager were not wanted and told to leave the Club. We are the employers and even though it's harsh, in football that happens. Michu is an employee who is wanted by everyone at SCFC including the fans but for no other reason other than Laudrup's sacking he's stuck his petulant fingers up. Big difference.
With respect, you dont know any of that to be true RE Michu. Thats the whole thing here, so many stories been going around for months and months have now started turning into gospel truth. We actually know fook all other than it appears one clique was removed and replaced with another clique. Everything seems to be on a personal level and not a professional one, but we just have no clue . A club owned by the fans for the fans yet nobody appears to know anything.
Come on Norway, reflect on his last season and tell me he loves it here? The guy has clearly thrown a strop and wants out, and you don't need to be a fly on the wall in Huw Jenkins office either to know that, got no problem with him wanting out, but I don't see why I should kiss his butt for the way he's been so ungrateful for his break with us, who the hell heard of Michu before he came to us? He can bugger off if that's how ungrateful he is!..............
You and i both know there has been a massive falling out at the Swans and the exact details of the fall out will never truely be published, i feel its a bit unfair to lump blame on one side only,namely the Spanish lads and Laudrup when all parties involved need to be held responsible,especially for a £20m asset walking out the door without so much as a thank you, but thats besides the point for me. Now, im all for the club wanting to go down a certain road and cure the headache by cutting off the head if thats what they feel is needed, but nobody has acted perfectly in this whole mess . If we want to act like a Premier league club on the field we must act like one off it too. Money is always preached to us and rightly so, but we have ended up with IMO a poorer squad,with an even more inexperienced manager who has seen first team regulars like Vorm,Michu,Pablo,Canas,Poz,Davies,Ki and perhaps JDG either be discarded or fancy a move away . The situation isnt a healthy one and i do wonder if we can maintain our strength at this level by having the kind of Parochial attitudes that seem to be developing at the Swans. What the board feel is needed im good with it, what ever the new manager wants to do, im good with it, but lets not mug ourselves off and think everything is Rosy by leaving the blame at a certain factions door only. Its plain daft . 3 sides to every story you have the Laudrup/spanish lads on one side , the old gaurd/ club signings on the other side and you have the truth that is in the middle . Im done with Michu and the players that leave us, im looking forward to the new season with new signings but its only fair and respectful to not look at things from only one perspective. I
The only perspective that I see is Michu has been very unprofessional last season, and the reasons are obvious now that he has sulked off to Napoli, good riddance I say, he has one good season and then shows his immaturity, hope Huw gets every last penny for him, and as for the rest of your list of players, all have gone off the boil, no grate loss, with the exception of Ben Davies, who I wish him well at Spurs, great potential in the making and still raw, but we have Taylor who should now thrive and get back to his best, as for the rest of those amigo's no big deal, and as for De Guzman I never ever rated him, and I will not miss him either, I'm sure Monk and our board will get the balance of the squad right again, and the philosophy in the dressing room too...........
On the face of it there doesn't seem to be much smart management going on here. First, Canas and Pozuello are contracted. There is value in those contracts and players left fallow have that value diminished. If other clubs know that they are not wanted here then they are going to be sold at a huge discount or their contract values written off. We do not, best I can figure out, have 25 senior professionals on our books. This means that Canas and Pozuello (if he is now a senior) would have to be named to our 25 man squad at the end of August. Why therefore let them rot and instead of being fit, schooled in the Monk system and ready to play if needed. If you decide not to include Canas and Poz in the squad then you are faced with including the likes of Tate, Obeng etc .... be honest these are not acceptable alternatives. It would be in their best interests to apply themselves and be ready to play, it would enhance their value to clubs interested in acquiring them and give them a better chance of being competitive at the new club following a transfer.
Canas we signed on a free from Real Betis ? Pozuelo we paid peanuts for, Adios girls, we do not want trouble makers at our training grounds, and the new signings look like upgrades to me, so lets stay positive aye!.....................
What I am getting at is contracts work both ways, after all, it was you who said We as a club did not grow a pair and honour our commitment, we cut it short by sacking the manager, yet you sit here and demand commitment from a player? We did not honour our commitment to Canas and Pozuelo, we have told them to basically **** off. Thats not honouring a commitment, a commitment signed by both club and player, the same commitment your asking michu to continue, yet have not criticised the club in not committing to theirs, why, because your a fan, it doesn't suit you for michu to not commit, so it bothers you, yet the club not committing clearly doesn't bother you, else you would not be trying to claim its different. Its why fans get labelled as blinkered, because we only want to see what we want to see. Whether we are an employer, or an employee it does not matter, if you want one to sit there and honour his side, you best be demanding that the other side of the coin does too, you cannot pick and choose who and what should honour what and when. Thats called being hypocritical, its all or nothing, not what suits and what does not. Michu may have chucked his petulant fingers up, but he may feel that we as a club did the exact same things to his manager, and 2 of his friends in Canas and Pozuelo, so how can you sit there and condemn him, yet be ok with the club doing the exact same thing? Makes you think right? I guess, as the employee he has every bloody right to go where he wants, if we as a club do not have to commit to a contract, then neither should a player have too. Works both ways. You cannot condemn one, whilst defending the other, its hypocrisy at its finest.
We had great sucess in the first half of the season till mid December in all competions , with Poz playing a big role , especially in Europe . Half a million £ of value , dismissed the 2nd half of the season . What we might have got for Poz one day ......
Not sure that I would class our defence of the Capital One cup as a "great success" That said, i understand what you mean re Pozuelo - there were times in that first half of the season when it looked like we may have unearthed a gem, and all for around a cost of £500k. However, something appears to have gone "wrong", very wrong. However, didn't something similar happen when he was at Real Betis? Perhaps it is because of how he feels the club treated Laudrup - there again, perhaps Pozuelo has an attitude problem? I don't know the cause - but either way it is a sad outcome because I feel that Poz has the talent and ability.
Garbage. As a self-employed contractor myself, I get contracted to do jobs. If I do a bad job or throw my toys out of the pram, I get fired from that job. There is, and should not be, any loyalty from an employer to a contracted employee. After all, they are the only side of the contract that is spending any money. The employee has stated that they will deliver services of adequate level for a period of time - if the employer is unhappy with the services, they have every right to sack them.
And being in the contract buisness myself for yonks i know what you say isnt strictly true. Even as a contractor relationships and human factors Are critical to good productivity . For sure you can Get pumped but the flip side is that you fook off for better money with zero notice when it suits you,leaving that horrible employer scratching round for people when a deadline needs to be met, the sharp end of contracting if you like! So a happy medium is what always works best . Swanselona IMO is bang on, you cant take in one hand and expect the same in the other,life dont work that way. If we feel the need to sit 40k a week in the stands then fair enough but to me it smacks of bad man management and a very costly one too. No doubt they Are sitting in the stands because they Think monk is a dick, in that respect the manager doesnt have many options,it seems to be a respect thing not an ability thing. Its all very interesting Stuff and something new for us as a club, dealing with temprimental people is going to become the norm in this league, we better start finding ways of dealing with problems like this, where every decision is going to cost millions right or wrong. Not an easy task for our chairman and manager. The bedt thing IMO was to draw a line in the sand and offer to start afresh, maybe the club and manager already tried this, if they did and certain players still wernt happy, then fook em let em rot .
Garbage. As someone who was once self employed, I got contracted to do jobs. If they show what I believe to be incompetence, I have a right to walk away myself. There is, and should not be, any loyalty from a contracted employee to an employer. After all, I am the only side of the contract putting in the effort to earn that money. And if I am not happy with going ons behind the scene's, I have every right to say I don't want to work for you any more, pack my bags and walk away.
Are Poz and Canas employees or contractors? If employees, then their situation would be governed presumably by Employment Law.
Anyone who thinks the respective positions of employer and employee are equal both morally and legally is living in cloud cuckoo land or maybe some socialist dreamworld that no longer exists. But that's another argument and we're being sidetracked by it. Even if one accepts Michu is perfectly entitled to walk away from our Club after being told he's wanted here (and I get that argument), it doesn't detract from the fact that he has chosen to walk away. That is an entirely different to other players who are willingly sold for footballing or business reasons with all three parties agreeing terms imo. Bottom line is that we didn't want Michu to go anywhere but he wanted away - and in all probability it was triggered by Laudrup's departure. He's not out of favour, he's guaranteed a start every game - no footballing reasons here at all. The guy doesn't want to play fro Swansea City and you want to wish him all the best? For that reason I agree with Dragonphil. I ask again - if JDG was our player and done this would you all be patting him on the back? I seriously doubt it. The double standards here because Michu was our golden boy for one season are (to use a word bandied around lately) staggering. Norway is right about a lack of evidence to a degree but there are some reasonable assumptions we can make based on what we do know and imo Michu doesn't give a **** about us or the Club we all care about - if he did he would get his head down and play - or at the very least publicly thank the Club and itts fans for their support. What have we had? **** all. So if he wants best wishes from me he can go elsewhere. Bitter? You bet.
Witty, I'll give you that. Couldn't disagree with your view any more though. As Dragonborn has suggested, for the good of the original topic, I'll let it rest. *Breath*
