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World Cup 2014

Discussion in 'Charlton' started by SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious, Jun 6, 2014.

  1. SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious

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  2. IA

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    Well if USA and Germany weren't secure in the 2nd round already, they will be now
     
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    A big round off applause from me to Chile they played with a passion and determination that is seldom seen in an England shirt
     
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    In reply to the person who asked who the other three Charlton players to play in World Cups (before Gucci), the answers are:

    Mark Kinsella was one (Republic of Ireland). Claus Jensen (Denmark). John Hewie represented Scotland in 1958 (I think).


    I clicked to reply to his post, but the reference hasn't shown. Tsk.
     
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  5. IA

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    Jensen didn't play in the 2002 World Cup. I think the other player was Welsh. The list was posted somewhere else.
     
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  6. IA

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    Trevor Edwards
     
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  7. Blackheath Redcoat

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    Claus Jensen played against England in the Round of 16 match. He came on as a substitute for Stig Tofting .

    http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/arc...ches/round=43950200/match=43950050/index.html


    Don Welsh played three times for England in 1938 / 39, against Germany, Switzerland and Romania. All three were friendlies.
     
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  8. Captain Blackaddick

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    That Germany game was a famous 6-3 win in the Olympiastadion in Berlin, in which Don Welsh did indeed play. The Nazis hoped it would prove the superiority of the Aryan race and made a big deal of it, filling the stadium with 90,000 swastika-waving Germans. This was also the occasion the England team gave the Heil Hitler salute, although they were forced to do so by the FA so as to avoid offending German sensibilities at such a tense time. Goebbels and Goering were both there, only to storm out with 10 minutes remaining with Germany down and out. Stanley Matthews gives a good account of this in his autobiography, which I cannot recommend enough.

    Welcome to the forum, by the way. :)
     
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  9. Blackheath Redcoat

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    Thanks for the welcome.

    Yes, the Germans did try to use that match for propaganda purposes and the FA did cravenly bow to pressure with the salute thing. It seems the 1936 Olympics taught them nothing. The Don is still the only Charlton player ever to score a goal for England (against Romania) but as England never entered the World Cup until 1950, his chances of ever participating were pretty slim.

    At the risk of deviating from the topic for just a moment.... I rather like your user name and your reference to 1914. Not a fellow Blackadder fan by any chance are you..? If so, this may interest you.....

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014...-life-captain-blackadder-and-private-baldrick

    OK... will keep on topic from now on.... Just thought that may be of interest.
     
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  10. Captain Blackaddick

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    I didn't realise The Don was the only Charlton player to score for England - it would make a good trivia question. It's tempting to speculate how England would have done in the 1930s World Cups had the FA not been so dismissive of them.

    I am indeed a big Blackadder fan. I hadn't seen that story though, so thanks for that. I wonder if the real-life Blackadder ever had to face a pygmy woman with a sharpened mango...

    Yes, back on topic. How bad has this Argentina-Switzerland game been?
     
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    Well, it did. We English are members of the Aryan race, are we not?

    I don't thinik the Nazis would be very impressed with the current German squad. One African, Two Poles and five Moslems.
     
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    Ah fair enough. I checked back on the group matches and he didn't seem to be a sub so didn't look at the England match. Sorry about that.

    I meant Welsh the nationality not Welsh the player. Trevor Edwards represented Wales at the World Cup while a Charlton player. Which makes Reza the fifth Charlton player at a World Cup and the first to score a goal.
     
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    Pretty grim wasn't it. I feel some sympathy for the Swiss, but not too much. They set their stall out not to lose rather than to win and they came a cropper right at the death. But it has to be said that Argentina aren't quite living up to their billing when it comes to beating (alleged) "weaker" teams.

    I've always felt that the world cup proper doesn't really start until the Quarter Finals. If Belgium beat the USA as expected later this evening then that's one last eight match that will be verrrrry difficult to call.
     
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    Hmmmmmm...... n-o-t q-u-i-t-e.

    Wales have only qualified for one world cup, in 1958, (the only time in which all four home countries participated. Another trivia question for Blackaddick). Trevor Edwards was, indeed, a part of the Welsh squad. Wales made it to the last eight, playing five games in all (including a group stage play off against Hungary), but Edwards didn't play in any of the matches.

    In 1958 there were no substitutes (they didn't come into world cup football until 1970) and Wales had a very settled side. Trevor Edwards (and most of the rest of the squad) didn't even get to warm the bench..!! They watched the matches from the stands.

    Interestingly, at that world cup, both Wales and Northern Ireland made it through the group stages into the quarter finals, whereas England and Scotland failed to go beyond their group.

    How football has changed, eh..?
     
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    WE English, Eddie...? You're a South African who played for Italy. :grin::grin::grin:

    Mama Mia...!!
     
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    Loved the Belgium Vs USA game last night, not only for the quality of the football, but the spirit of the game. Credit to both sides, it must have been a pleasure to referee. At this rate I could get to like the Belgians.
     
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    Looking at teams like Algeria, Costa Rica & USA, it is frightening how far English football has regressed.

    And in the same week, little Adam Lallana - who wouldn't even be in the top 250 players at this World Cup, secures a £26m move to Liverpool.

    #laughablebubble
     
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  18. ForestHillBilly

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    Since Scottish football became so poor that we haven't been able to compete at any major finals I find these finals quite stress-free and therefore quite enjoyable.
     
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    Did you read about the 18 year old lad at Dundee United? Just signed for Sporting Lisbon for an undisclosed fee- but with a 60m Euro sell on clause <ok>

    Rated by Jocko Journos at the best natural talent since Dalglish.
     
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    Yes, and we've got 18-year-old wonder kid of Somalian parentage at Chelski too. I can fell the stress starting all over again:emoticon-0107-sweat
     
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