To be fair, the entire Central and Eastern European region is quite overtly racist. And, having traveled to pretty much every European country multiple times, I can categorically say that i found (my opinion only) BOTH Russia and Ukraine, to be two of the most nationalistic countries that I've ever been too. That's not to paint everyone with the same brush or to stereotype and is in no way a racist comment.
You say this yet you have an irrational hatred of lizard people? What have the lizard people ever done to you? Lizardist!
ah you are talking underlyiong reasons like its a history lesson. I am talking about the guy on the street getting shot, beaten, tortured. thats all. to a family from bosnia who were displaced say Srebrenica where men and women were separated or mostar which was under seige etc... is it any different to the person getting shot than ukraine WILL be by the end of this.. or then the middle east. its all sectarianism or ethnic head bashing... the poor unfortunates get it while we look on and assign causes in the history books. the kurds in iraq are holding theirs, the sunni now theirs etc. its both ethnic and religious. In the end the biggest reason to worry for us sitting in our nice safe houses is fuel prices. but in ukraine, in the east? when it escalates (and it will) it'll be like all the other events with people displaced, dead or suffering
A very national proud country that has recently had there provincias taken away from then by Russians with guns, imported false citizens and see through voting booths then you are bound to say some eyebrows raising things However you have a point, that the comments that were are inexcusable and do sound racist to a degree. However we are not there, we don't know if what was said was out of context (as mentioned in the video). Also Please consider; what Ukraine has in place is a damn site better than having a Putin puppet in charge. The Russians did the inexcusable, it would be like us invading Wales with tanks IMO. Even if the control of Ukraine turns out to be fascist (in the worst case), it is still a damn sight better than Putin.
Yeah because those that would consider themselves Ukrainian in the all but officially annexed "pro Russian" areas must be getting warm hugs. Those "subhumans" are being supplied with the best weaponry Russia can buy........ Actually it's really all the main traditional European powers fault including Russia. We all drew straight lines on the globe from Africa, the middle east, from south east asia to the Balkans...sod the fact we were forcing tribal areas together that had no business being so....big lines are always more pleasant on a map...it's always kept tribalism simmering, waiting for one of the big powers to take their foot off enough to let it explode...it's why there's an argument for collectively keeping the foot on... Tribalism will always exist....yes it can be a plaything of a superpower vying against another but Russia's been at it longer than the Yanks and with deeper ramifications before this turns into a it's all the Yanks fault......yet again......
Tribalism is exploited by all and sundry looking to achieve an end that requires the masses to mobilise. religion is a large part of Ukraine's issues, also absolutely shocking ignorance. Blaming the yanks? Dick Cheney in 1994 not exact quote but the jist of it "We should not take Baghdad, it would remove the structure of Iraq and break the country up and lead to a total destabilisation of the country" Cheney then proceeds to achieve just that in 2003. What we see now is exactly what he predicted in 1994. hardly unforeseen. Retired 4 star general Wesley Clark openly talks about being given a hit list of countries in the pentagon in 2001, 7 countries. Iraq Libya Somalia Sudan Syria Lebanon and Iran. I find it just silly to think he would make this up. ISIL part of Al Qaeda, a group funded to fight the Russians, not for Afghanistan but for US interests. A proxy, created by the US. ISIL are an offshoot of Al Qaeda, ISIL fighters received training alongside the Syrian rebels by the US, if they shared training they sure as hell also shared weapons and so on. I mean for gods sake Frank, one only need t look at extremism in 2001 in the world and 2014. Only a severely mentally challenged individual would not see the clear chronology of events that have led to this very situation. Not sure by what you mean by "keep the boot on" Was 11 years of occupation not enough? Palestine and Israel show is that occupation means there will never be security, of course the loony right wing in Israel know this, no peace means constant state of high security and therefor a justification to pass all the laws you want, funny that, the US are experiencing the same thing. The basic facts make a mockery of the tribalism argument for Ukraine. These people lived together for decades without major issue, all countries have hate stokers, Defence league? BNP? The eastern provinces took control of their own regions, please remind me any of the bloody events during this in the East? I don't need reminding about how much blood has been shed in the assaults Kiev carried out, with NO dialog ever tried after a coup tried to force their control over these regions. Assaults that just happened after visits from US officials and then the CIA. Coincidence? I don't believe in that ****. You make claims of Russia giving the best weapons to the eastern provinces. Maybe you should check it out, much of their weapons came from Ukrainian army supplies, even being sold them in the early stages by the Ukrainian military. Sure some stuff has come across the border, stuff is coming from the US, I fail to see the difference here. Kiev using UN helicopters. Launching 150 rockets into a populated area, that's Israel style "justice". The pictures of 3 T62 antiquated tanks, the best of Russia can buy? really? "Blame the yanks" an attempt to simplify it as anti America? Those pulling this **** off are not doing it for the benefit or security of Americans. Even a complete idiot could see that. DoD costs $61,000,000 an hour to run, DHS 21,000,000 to run and they just cut food stamp support for 46 million people. No jobs. So this is what is running the world. I predicted that Ukraine would be re kitted out in short order by NATO to face the "Russian threat" It's exactly what is happening at the cost to average Ukrainians. Shattered economy no gas devalued currency, the country is INFINITELY worse off than they were. Ukraine's links to Russia were oligarch ties, but everyone likes to forget Yulia Tymoshenko was balls deep in with the Russians and funneled ALL ukrainian gas through her private company. Who installed Saddam? The US, who armed him and fully supported his attack on Iran, an Iran who had deposed the brutal dictator the US installed .Short selective memory Frank. A not so commonly published fact, Saddam consulted Washington BEFORE invading Kuwait and the transcript of that conversation between the US official and Saddam had no objection to attacking Kuwait. This you can check yourself. This puts it together nicely to see what the yanks, as in the scum behind the government, have been doing ther for a long time. [video=youtube;ey9tExYbjm8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ey9tExYbjm8[/video]
Go back and listen to this bit again, what he says in effect is that taking Baghdad and then leaving without proper structure would leave Iraque open to it`s neighbours. He never envisioned the fact that religious fanatics would tear the country apart from within.
Yes, that is accurate mate but Cheney did also say the country would fragment and made reference to the different religious groups. This is EXACTLY what has happened, most of it under the US occupation. Libya? The same thing, Libya is 10 times worse off after the removal of Gaddafi and Iraq is a million times worse off after the removal of Saddam as is the region, look at the attempt to depose Assad, that is making the Iraq situation far worse. The argument is used that "oh well, you can now object in Iraq without being arrested" Yet you like here in good auld democracy, can complain and not get arrested, but as soon as there are enough people complaining the police crack down and you DO get arrested" Just look at protest rights in the UK EU and US. Is it really any better? The answer is obviously no, our "freedom" to dissent is a fiction, given we now know everything we say is recorded and stored too. Police infiltrating protest groups and movements too, to hinder them, hardly democracy. not sure if you are aware, but if you research it, Dick Cheney had direct input into the death squads of the Shia militia in Iraq after the invasion. El Salvador's civil war, one of Cheney's men Col. James Steele created the death squads and in Iraq he directly managed this too, whole families strung up by electric cables and tortured and murdered. The images are truly shocking. Even the BBC covered this. He did the same for Cheney in El Salvador. Steele is directly connected to Rumsfeld and Cheney. All the evidence points ot not "blaming the yanks" as some put it, but actual circumvention of a government and any and all law, why? Just listen to King Obama, America is "Exceptional". In other words, normal laws and conventions do not apply to the US. Now King Obama says he does not need law makers in the US to go into Iraq again. I guarantee you that f the US go into Iraq after the ISIL they will then proclaim that they must then go into Syria after the ISIL. Even a fool can see the US have been meddling and creating this problem for decades, since the 60s in the middle east. All the while remaining friendly to the biggest terrorists out there, the Saudi Royal family, the very one Prince Charles and Blair love party it up with. Where were the 9\11 terrorists from? Eqypt and Saudi Arabia. not Iraq yet 9 days after 9\11 the military were informed of war with Iraq who had NO links to terrorism. 9 days, sorry but the invasion was planned pre 9\11 and this is confirmed by a CIA whistle blower who worked on negotiating with iraq prior to 9\11 Tony Blair is now literally blaming Assad for Iraq I personally would love to be present at Tony Blair's execution by hanging
Oh Ukraine and Porkyshenko, he's been in the US pocket since 2006 It turns out that Ukraine's new president, Petro Poroshenko, has been working for the U.S. government since at least 2006 and they knew he was corrupt. http://scgnews.com/leaked-documents-ukraines-new-president-works-for-the-us-state-department Wikileak cable Hillary **** Clinton and Porkyshenko 2009 More readable in this http://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE129520_a.html "Blaming the yanks" eh. The evidence of the regime change in Ukraine, is a massive pile of.. proof. As for Iraq. Here's the Canadian PM and Australian PM giving the exact same speech in 2003 in their respective parliaments. [video=youtube;DvnaLs_jsI4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DvnaLs_jsI4[/video] All reading from the same script. Governments? yeah right, puppet front men. Or this S.2277 - Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014 (S.2277 — 113th Congress (2013-2014) This was put in place before any "annexation" of Crimea. In fact it was created before the previous Ukrainian president stepped down. Clearly this was a plan http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2277/text?q={%22search%22%3A[%22Russian+aggression+prevention+act+2014%22]}
