BBC - Liverpool make bid for Lallana

The "very simple possibility" to me is that people naturally get upset whenever there's a big shakeup in their workplace. And they will naturally want answers from the top. And most of the time, they won't get them because their questions can't be answered without revealing too much, or won't be answered the way they want, or they actually can't be answered at all.

At some point, things settle down and some people leave and some people stay. If it's bad more people leave than stay; if the result is good than more people stay than leave. But inevitably people stop demanding to speak to people and getting answers because they eventually get the answers they need anyway. Every place I've ever worked has been this way. Doesn't matter if its a change in owners, an internal restructuring, or just the head of a department leaves.

I am pretty sure most players' concerns will be addressed by the end of the transfer window when they talk to the new manager, have their individual contract talks, and see who comes in. And then they may want to go, or they may like it enough to stay. If Krueger, Liebherr or Reed can address a few things and gain some confidence it might help a little.

But I bet not by a whole lot. Krueger will just blow some smoke up their ass, because that's his job. And the players will be all "actions speak louder than words" because, well... they're right.

 

Good post & very true.

 

Teams lose managers all the time, but rarely does it involve this sort of turmoil during the interregnum because teams generally find a way to mollify concerns in advance of the arrival of the replacement. Our board has been in place for near on six months; six months in which they, apparently, expected Poch to depart and ought to have been laying the groundwork to prevent this sort of discontent from getting out of control.

 

When was the last time a small/medium club threatened to change the order of the Premier League the way we could with our young and massively underpaid squad? That's the difference.

Look at Tottenham. They are a bigger club than us, and they still can't break the glass ceiling, despite changing managers every year. They couldn't even keep Clint Dempsey. They managed to sell Bale for a ridiculous pile of cash... and they're still in the same place they always are. But credit to them (though they are a bigger club) for staying within reach despite all the turnover.

The same teams win every year, bar the odd crazy-rich owner. The game is totally rigged.

Don't get me wrong. There are things the board can and should do to at least keep the rank-and-file guys like Fonte somewhat happy. And we need to do that to avoid total disaster. I'm not saying the board is blameless. We do have to stop this from getting out of control, less we implode and maybe even get relegated.

But realistically, Lallana is gone. He wants guaranteed Champion's League football and we can't promise him that. If Lovren, Schneiderlin, Shaw, Rodriguez, Ramirez, Clyne, Chambers or anyone get an offer from a bigger club and feel the same way we're going to lose them, too.

The reality is that we are fighting to keep enough happy players and to get enough money for those that leave so we can finish mid-table. We are trying to avoid total implosion and that's the best we can do. So I have no interest in attempting to mollify Lallana with some ridiculous Kumbaya meeting. It's a complete waste of time. We can't offer him what Liverpool can, and even if Cortese the master salesmen were here he'd only be trying to fill Lallana's head up with massive lies in a fruitless effort. Maybe we could keep him until January at best, which could gain us some points but OTOH then we're dealing with this mess again in the middle of a season and paying rip-off prices for a winter transfer with the situation being a massive distraction during a more critical time.

Either we let him go for as much money as we can get, or we gamble on an unhappy Lallana and hope he still puts forth the requisite effort and maybe, just maybe we can sneak our way into a 4th place finish if the new manager is great and we get lucky. It's the tricky decision. And it's one we have to get right and one I hope the board makes the right move.

But the idea that talking this out with Lallana is going to fix things is a pipe dream.

 

Of course the have been brewing - the club new what was going on with MP and tried all they could for him to stay. They were going to sell anyone under his feet or it would have compramisd his position and MP could have used that as his get out card. I think the club played it as best they could so didnt give MP andy excuses...

 

2 other things to all this:

I am so pleased in the end Liverpool didnt win the league last year. I remember a number of us on here wanted that as they were the neutrals choice. How many now would wish for that if the final 3 games of the season were upon us now?

The other thing is Liverpool may not be the force they were last year and I have a sneaking suspicion they wont be, I think they will find it much harder (Champions Lague and real consistency) and will have a much tougher challenge from Man U, Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, Evenerton and also the real contenders - Saints...

 

Oh get a grip, what a ridiculous exaggeration.

 

Pretty certain nothing else will happen before a new manager is appointed.

 

It hasn't taken them long to go from being underdogs at the top table, to arrogant swaggering bullies.

Perhaps we seemed that way to other clubs in League 1.

 

The board have told us and the players that nothing will happen until we have a new manager in place...then they go and sell Lambert!! I call that double talk......and they will get a back lash through it. It was inevitable.

 

Was daft to make that statement and not be aware of an imminent deal, but (unlike Lallana) blocking Lambert's deal going through before the WC could prevent the whole deal going through. It's a strange deal from Liverpool's point of view, we may not have played Lambert as much next season, so we would have looked to sell him. I'd rather he went to Liverpool than any other team in the league...he wouldn't get into any other top side and we certainly don't want him playing for a team that could be more our rival next season. Love to have kept him, but it wasn't to be.

 

The Lambert thing has undermined their position certainly. But the stance on Lallana suggests they actually did mean what they said. In which case, good for them.

 

I believe Adam will go to Liverpool and will become annonymous, a bit like the English lad who went to City and I can't even remember his name. Maybe we should sell before the WC, incase he gets injured.

 

This time last year after marriage to Adam he cradled our child and said how much he loved us, how much he had enjoyed our journey together and how he believed those vows, death til us part.

Then he got a promotion at work, started going to the European HQ where she worked too. She is somewhat attractive, dresses like a slag if you want my opinion, but speaks several languages and I can see why guys would be interested. Then I find out she has been all over him like a rash(even offered a menage a trios with his best mate!). So I confront him about it, he didn't deny it and then he tells me he is leaving me! After all we've been through together. He says i've gone stale, that our marriage is not exciting anymore, but i've been busy keeping the house together, looking after the kids and making careful plans for the future. I have responsibilities and can't just up and leave on these juvenile trips away he wants to do.

So it's over, but now he keeps calling me. Says he wants the house, our savings, says he was the one that worked hard and earned it all. Apparently my support through those years is worth nothing, but i've still got to look after the kids. Keep them in the lifestyle they're used too and how does he expect me to do that?

but that's not really the worse of it. What gets me is that he doesn't want the children to know that he is leaving me. He wants to tell them we agreed on this, what were the words he used? An Un-Coupling

 

I wouldn't be able to work in the same industry until non-compete clauses terminate, or would have to move abroad. And yes I have see this enforced with one of my colleagues.

If a footballer did it the club hold their registrations I believe so they would not be allowed to play else where - at least I think this is the case, sure someone on here knows this for sure though.

 

I for one would not sell him before the World Cup.

If he performs he is worth more, if he fails to deliver he is less likely to be wanted/deals followed through.

We all know his true value to us so for me it is win:win for Saints...

 

Just as a side point, you should be aware it's nothing like slavery.

Look up Honore or the Bellagio-Harvard guidelines.

Anyway, from a Liverpool perspective 20 is a good deal, I could stomach 25... 30 is ridiculous. It seems like your club is either going to keep him or force him into a transfer request, which it can then leak to the fans.

If any of this is true of course.

 

30 is ridiculous

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Come now, its just a bit under a Carroll, a bit over a Fellani, its only a couple of Connors. Lets not get silly about prices now.

 

It is quite obviously not actual slavery. It is, however, a contradiction of normal principles of employment law and a lack of freedoms that we expect in any other walk of life. We put up with it because it's a key part of the sport we love and they do obviously get paid a lot of money and have relatively easy lives. However a wish to leave should definitely not be ignored by the employers. It is a ridiculous thing to do to trap someone in employment.

 

"paid slavery".... oh boy Joe. There is a due process in football to follow. Player signs contract and therefore the rules say that the club who hold that contract have a say in that player being sold or not. Just because the player now wants to go, the club have the 'right' to turn down any offer. The player needs to accept that. Any thing else and the whole system goes out the window.