OT - Christian vs Muslim

So does that make Stephen Fry an atheist? Like Stalin, Pol Pot etc… So where does he get his morals from?

 

[video=youtube;CS9OO0S5w2k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k[/video]

 

remind me why your banned from the Naawich board mate

 

Evening all.

I was going to give this one a wide berth but a mate pointed this link out and I thought it embodied what I consider to be a true Christian response.

http://www.eauk.org/northern-ireland/statement-on-recent-comments-surrounding-islam.cfm

 

this … or amen

 

Can you please point to the atheist doctrine that those mentioned killed in the name of.

 

Please point to the source of atheist morality.

 

Empathy.

 

So, if you found out, 100%, god did not exist, who would be the first person you raped?

 

Humanity, genetics, altruism, intelligence, experience - its the art of being human. And bugger me, we can be moral without being ordered to by some imaginary being, on pain of punishment for eternity. An imaginary being which allegedly killed all the first born children of the people of Egypt, engineered the torture and death of its own offspring, pinned the blame on a bloke who then killed himself. An imaginary being which is obviously happy for countless atrocities to be committed in its name for centuries, crimes committed by people who genuinely and sincerely believed they were doing "God's" will, and would be rewarded for it.

You've posted this kind of stuff before Geneva. Which morality do you trust - the morality arrived at by real people making real decisions and recognising that life is a collective, not a solo, enterprise, or the morality imposed by some 1st and 2nd century CE mystics and power brokers through a contradictory and syncretic book?

 

Are you saying you need a book (that condones, genocide, rape, slavery and murder) to know the difference between right and wrong, that's scary stuff mate? I don't "get" morals from anywhere, I treat people in the same way I'd like to be treated myself. I have empathy and compassion for my fellow primates.

 

I think you've just summed up Stephen Fry's moral code mate (with the emphasis on the first two words )

 

Have you a secret crush on Mr Fry ?

 

No but he did on Paul Lambert

http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/146849-The-Norwich-City-Lament

 

Do you ever get across to Cornwall, Swords?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-27643702

 

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. We all have our needs Herr Uber

BTW, you got your "Klantastic" hoody flag for the World Cup yet? Better hurry up, there's not many left

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-world-cup-looks-like-kkk-outfit-9461627.html

 

I think I'd rather join you in the cowshit, Swordsie Boy, than wear something so tacky.

 

I like it

 

The point in regards to morality alluded to by Geneva, is that it (morality) is either objective or subjective.

If it is subjective, and therefore changeable dependent on collective human thinking of the time, it can - and often will - change over time. As such, one cannot say that anything at all is categorically either good or evil. This presents a problem for many people, who believe that certain things - for example rape as referenced by QPR247 above - are absolutely and categorically evil (or in other cases, like charity, good). If nothing is categorically good or evil, it is hard to see a justification for describing anything at all in moral terms.

The only way in which morality can be objective (unchangeable) - and therefore enable the descriptors 'good' or 'evil' to be used - is if it is defined by something 'other' than humanity, which does not change. Philsophers often refer to this 'other' as telos. Now if this 'telos' is able to define morality - what is good and what is evil - it must be of significance. Of course, this 'telos' is not necessarily 'God', that is an assumed leap, but the definition and characteristics of this object which is able to define good and evil is fascinating to say the least, and the 'telos' points to a significant yet undefined 'other'.

In short, while many present the problem of 'evil' as evidence against God's existence, morality presents a more significant problem for atheists, which many atheistic philosophers freely admit.

 

Helping a blind person down the stairs is good. Pushing them down is evil.

I didn't need to ask Telos.