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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by BBFs Unpopular View, May 24, 2014.

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Do you prefer Swines or The flu...?

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  1. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    No conspiracy stuff. Just an interesting fact.

    US Patent for Swine Flu in 2005(not the vaccine but in fact, the virus <yikes>). Swine Flu didn't come about till 2009 and if the patent was submitted in 2005 the research and development happened before 2005. You can logicaly assume the vaccine was also available prior to 2009. Convenient.

    The patent here
    http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...eered Swine Influenza Virus Uses".TI.&OS=TTL/
     
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  2. saintanton

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    I'm no expert in these matters, but I imagine that, because you need to have the virus in order to develop a vaccine, people are often doing this stuff in preparation for possible outbreaks.
     
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  3. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    The vaccines were created in 2009, it's claimed. Publication date for the virus patent. 2009. Just coincidental of course <laugh>

    What a fantastic money spinner though.


    Lets look at it logically. To make a vaccine for a cross species flu you need to make a cross species strain. Just so happens the flu and vaccines were already handy for 2009
    Swine flu transmission to humans was rare before 2009.


    tbh I am not such a believer in coincidences that make $$billions for Pharma and the CDC and WHO have been caught acting the bollocks many times
     
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  4. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    i would not in the slightest be surprised if something dodgy was going on, but there is so much money in this you would have no chance of ever proving anything.

    its probably similar with computer viruses that appear, and they bring out programs you have to buy or pay something somehow to combat said problem (coincidence again?), ie they create the problem then con you out of money for the cure.
     
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  5. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    A quick search found this -

    "Swine influenza was first proposed to be a disease related to human flu during the 1918 flu pandemic, when pigs became ill at the same time as humans. The first identification of an influenza virus as a cause of disease in pigs occurred about ten years later, in 1930. For the following 60 years, swine influenza strains were almost exclusively H1N1. Then, between 1997 and 2002, new strains of three different subtypes and five different genotypes emerged as causes of influenza among pigs in North America. In 1997&#8211;1998, H3N2 strains emerged. These strains, which include genes derived by reassortment from human, swine and avian viruses, have become a major cause of swine influenza in North America. Reassortment between H1N1 and H3N2 produced H1N2. "

    Olsen CW (May 2002). "The emergence of novel swine influenza viruses in North America". Virus Research 85 (2): 199&#8211;210.


    Swine flu been around a lot longer than 2009.
     
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  6. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Yet another anti American crock of ****, from the resident forum crank
     
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  7. Ivan Dobsky

    Ivan Dobsky GC Thread Terminator

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    Thought the whole point about this topic is that various governments around the world (including ours) were panicked into buying expensive vaccines that, by-and-large, were not needed and were pretty ineffective when they were used.

    I know our resident malingerer in work (we've all got one) managed to get 'it' three times in six months. She has a very understanding doctor. We ended up calling her Typhoid Mary.
     
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  8. UnitedinRed

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    Lizard people alert!
     
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  9. Garlic Klopp

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    At last the first cuckoo of Spring!
     
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  10. BBFs Unpopular View

    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    It has indeed, the infections of humans is miniscule. A global outbreak was strange, it seemed to pop up everywhere at once.

    Put it this way Britain alone spend 650 million pounds on the flu jab. The WHO has been asked by doctors and physicians to take it off the critical list as the research shows that on average over many test cases the average flu symptoms lasted 7 days with non vaccinated people compared to 6.5 days for vaccinated people.
    So the flu jab does not cure the flu, it suppresses symptoms but only on average half a day earlier. WHY is the WHO pushing that crap..

    The CDC says 30,000 people die a year in the US form Flu. Yet the medical records say 28,000 of the 30,000 die of pneumonia, well the flu jab does not prevent or cure pneumonia so this can only be seen as pushing a vaccine that is useless but makes billions for Pharma. £650 million from the UK alone, globally what do you think the flu vaccine is worth, and it's ****ing useless, scientific study has shown that.

    I am not an anti vaccine nut, my kids got MMR and some others, but I did refuse some including the flu jab. The less heavy metals injected into your kids the better, that's just common ****ing sense.

    Pharma and the WHO are using India as a test bed for vaccines and meds. The polio vaccine has caused 47,500 paralysis cases, I imagine they have vaccinated millions though but that is still far too many paralysed children to be calling a vaccine safe.

    What **** turned this into a poll<laugh>
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I think vaccines have saved far more lives than they have given side effects or permanent disabilities. It's a hard decision to make concerning protecting your children but smallpox for instance was wiped out completely worldwide due to vaccination and polio and diphtheria have both almost disappeared.

    You said the flu jab doesn't cure flu - it's not supposed to, that's not how vaccines work. The vaccine doesn't suppress symptoms either, if anything it can cause them. I think for those thought to be at risk from flu, each should weigh up the value of having a degree of protection from full blown flu. If you're a person who tends to have allergic reactions - don't have it.

    The swine flu pandemic was seriously over estimated with the government seriously over spending, mostly due to inflexible contracts with no break clauses with GlaxoSmithKline and Baxter meaning orders couldn't be cancelled, but 500 people lost their lives to it in the UK alone so it was as nasty a strain as has been predicted - those who lost family members would gladly want the government to spend the same amount again if it could prevent further losses, you can't put a value on that.
     
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  13. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Two reasons.

    1) You're a heck of a lot less likely to get the flu if you've had a flu shot... It doesn't make it impossible- but it lowers your risk dramatically.

    2) The theory of "herd immunization" - if you have a herd of cattle- if you immunize most of them from communicable diseases- even those that don't receive immunization (if you miss a few) are at a much lower risk of getting the disease- because there will be fewer people to pass it to them.

    If a large enough percentage of people get the flu vaccine, then it is less likely to find it's way to those people who are high risk of danger from the flu, who can't, for various reasons, have a flu shot.


    By having a flu shot you're helping not just yourself- but society as a whole.
     
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  14. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Anyone watch 'Outbreak' last night?
     
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  16. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    no,

    is it a drama series, or some sort of science based type thing?

    if science based may try to find it on catchup and have a watch.
     
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  17. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    No <laugh> It's a film starring Dustin Hoffman about the outbreak of a deadly virus.
     
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