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F1 2014 Season: Lineup's - Rumours - News

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jan 29, 2013.

  1. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Mclaren have ended their talks with a title sponsor with.... No deal

    ......<applause>.....
     
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  2. Han Shot First

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    Whitmarsh would have got one by now...
     
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  3. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Turtle wax
     
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  4. 51LV3R8RR04

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    I found an interesting story that the reason for McLarens engine struggles is because McLaren thought it was a good idea to use Mobil fuel (their sponsor) instead of Petronas (the fuel which was designed for the engine in the first place) <doh>
     
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  5. BrightLampShade

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    Soooo.... Bernies court case is currently suspended as he is ill.
    Oh look, he's in Monaco <doh>
     
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  6. 51LV3R8RR04

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    Ahhh, but he "lives there" doesn't he.
     
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  7. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    Apparently by the end of the Week Pastor may lose his state funding from Venezuela.... I dont care about Maldo possibly losing a seat but this could be very bad for Lotus <cry>
     
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  8. BrightLampShade

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    Ferrari are rich, they should pay to put Bianchi in the car :)
     
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  9. allsaintchris.

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    Been a bit disappointed with him this year. Chilton has been much closer to his pace and lots of mistakes are creeping in as well.

    Perhaps a fairly well endowed (money wise) female driver could help out?
     
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  10. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I dont mind stepping in for Free
     
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  11. SgtBhaji

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    Getting rid might actually save them a few bob. Their insurance premiums must be massive! :p
     
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  12. Han Shot First

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    Good thought.


    On a serious note though, surely the money he brings in has been offset by the cost of the replacement parts they've needed whenever he's binned the car? In a sense, he's actually forcing them to operate at a loss.
     
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  13. BrightLampShade

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    Vettel's luck is peaking as he's rapidly running out of power unit parts. He's mostly on his 3rd or 4th set of parts after a quarter of the season, with the 6th part bringing grid drop. If he gets to a 7th part then he has to start from the pits. Going to bite a few people this season it seems :s
     
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  14. DHCanary

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    I suspect they'll scrap (or at least modify) that rule before the end of the season. Otherwise there's not going to be anybody on the grid in the final few races, except perhaps the Mercedes.
     
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  15. BrightLampShade

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    I guess it depends on how many need to start from the pitlane, if they all run out of parts at different times then 3-4 in the pit lane isn't so bad, adds interest to the race as well if they're fast cars.


    Mercedes modified new engines

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    A glance at the list of spare parts of the FIA is enough and you can see thatMercedes is on schedule. In all eight riders stood in the list of six blocks before you drive a GP Monaco 2 rivals from Ferrari and Renault has arrived at various components already at 3 or 4. However, after the Monaco GP is also the vest from Mercedes can not remember.
    At McLaren Kevin Magnussen was slowed by drive problems. Here, the problem of the rookies was only temporary. The Dane lost in the final stages of the race four positions because the electric motors less power charges as planned. Fault was a defective sensor. Magnussen was able to fix the problem even in the car by switching to a different motor program and a reset.
    [h=2]MGU-K problem kills Mercedes engine[/h]More serious was the damage robbed Valtteri Bottas eighth. A fixed uneaten bearing in the drive the MGU-K was killing at the same time the combustion engine. This Bottas is the motor and the MGU-K has three units. This could be tight until the end of the season. A MGU-K must be at least 3600 km with.
    Mercedes has located in response to the defect in Williams all in circulation and checked already sealed motors on possible sources of error in this area. For all new engines that are included in the system, countermeasures are taken. The FIA &#8203;&#8203;allows operation on the motor, provided they are used to improve the stability.
     
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  16. EternalMSC

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    I guess if he wins a race after all this bad luck some people will still complain.
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

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    potential #F1 controversy developing around #RedBullRacing and/or #ScuderiaToroRosso secret indoor #Test: http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/2014/06/red-bull-renault-geheimtest-auf-dem-rollband-14060406.html …


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    Around Renault and Red Bull team to develop speculations, which should have been a secret roll band test before the Grand Prix of Australia

    (Motor-Total.com) - Before the Grand Prix of Canada, is developing behind the scenes a story that could possibly make this weekend for discussions. Because according to information from 'Motor-Total.com' said to have been a mysterious indoor test between the final winter test in Bahrain and the season opener in Australia.


    Speculation has it that a Red Bull team to have been billeted with Renault-drive for six days at AVL in Graz. AVL has been for many years a valued technical partner of several Formula 1 racing teams and names on the property's website among other things, drive train and simulation technologies as departments.

    The primary objective of the test is, therefore, have been, the at that time still strongly ailing Renault drive on a so-called "Rolling Road" (it moves a car at high wheel speed on a Roll Band) to make healthy. Whether or not air was also passed, which would make the whole thing into a wind tunnel test with a 1:1 model, is currently unknown.

    Brisant speculation is so far as Red Bull and Renault were amazingly well prepared after the disastrous winter testing at the season opener in Australia, in terms of reliability. But by the parties want to comment on the test currently no. At least officially stated on request from Renault only: "No comment." Clear denial but there are none.


    The fact is that Red Bull test driver Antonio Felix da Costa was the period in question in Austria, as he confirmed on his Twitter account by posting on 6 March. Whether he actually sat in a Formula 1 car of Red Bull team at AVL and whether there has been a fire here, as is conjectured, but can currently not be verified with certainty.





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    Not sure I fully understand what is going on here but surely not illegal? Just the same a whole car dyno test rig?
     
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  18. BrightLampShade

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    The Judge has done the translating for us

    Give a dog a bad name


    Red Bull Racing clearly had a torrid time during Winter testing this year. They managed a mere 182 laps in 12 days on track, just 55 more than bottom team Lotus who missed the entire first test in Jerez.


    Of course Red Bull have made a lot of noise about Renault being the culprit for their woes in 2014, yet the 3 other Renault customers all managed more laps per day they were on track than the world champions.


    The Red Bull design was not one of Newey&#8217;s best &#8211; indeed he admitted himself to the Red Bull in house magazine, Red Bulletin, &#8220;Looking back it would have been smarter to concentrate full power on the new car earlier on.&#8221;


    Seriously, given the testing data, no one was certain whether we would even see a Red Bull car make it to Q3 at the first event in Melbourne.


    However, the transformation in those few short days from the end of the second Bahrain test and the performance of the RB10&#8217;s in Melbourne did indeed shock many. Daniel Ricciardo managed to split the 2 Mercedes in Q3, beating Nico Rosberg by 5/100ths of a second to claim a front row start in the race.


    Of course the RB10 romped to 3rd place &#8211; and even had Ricciardo&#8217;s masters played it straight and complied with the legal fuel flow regulations &#8211; Danny boy was good for a 4th, and at worst 5th, place finish.


    A quite remarkable turnaround.


    Yet It now appears that there may be an explanation for this. A leak from AVL suggests that an RB10 fitted with its Renault power train spent 6 days at AVL&#8217;s facility in Graz &#8211; between Bahrain and Melbourne.


    Further, that that car was flown on to Melbourne, and was the car used by Ricciardo at the Australian GP weekend.


    According to their website, &#8220;AVL is the world&#8217;s largest independent company for the development of powertrain systems with internal combustion engines as well as instrumentation and test systems. AVL is acting in the following scopes of business:


    Development of Powertrain Systems: AVL develops and improves all kinds of powertrain systems and is a competent partner to the engine and automotive industry.


    Simulation: In addition AVL develops and markets the simulation methods which are necessary for the development work.


    Engine Instrumentation and Test Systems: The products of this business area comprise all the instruments and systems required for engine and vehicle testing&#8221;.


    AVL have a high speed rolling road facility, which can be utilised to replicate a 1:1 wind tunnel &#8211; which of course banned by F1.


    During the week commencing 5th March, Antonio Felix de Costa &#8211; test river for Red Bull Racing &#8211; confirmed he was Austria bound for something more than a promo event. &#8220;Off we go again, this time 5 day trip to Austria! # redbull&#8221;, he tweeted.


    At this time there is no hard evidence to substantiate this rumour from an AVL insider, however, the full gambit of interpretations of the idiom, &#8220;give a dog a bad name&#8221; feels more than appropriate at this juncture.



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    So its the 1:1 aero testing which is the iffy part?
     
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  19. DHCanary

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    I think it's only iffy if they conducted aero testing? Isn't a rolling road for engine testing not much more than a sophisticated dyno, just one that can account for the engine packaging accurately? If it's not been used as a wind tunnel, I don't see the issue?
     
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  20. allsaintchris.

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    Unless there is a ban on the use of rolling roads, I'm surprised that every team doesn't have one.

    Must be something stopping teams from using these to get around the testing ban?
     
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