OT Nigel Farage Interview

you are right

that is why I chat to you

 

Well, you've got me there.

Brilliant.

 

I am not a big fan of this guy. But i thought i would give this a watch to see for myself. Towards the end he really did contradict himself and look like a bit of a hypocrite. Lets face this is a guy who is trying to start debates about lots of things i generally believe people in the UK want to talk about. Sadly he is coming about it from the wrong side of politics. He views attract the far right and it is doing him no favors what so ever.

Sadly when the country goes to **** the far right seems to appeal to people so much easily. When you see mps taking the piss when claiming expenses and the bedroom tax coming in. You can see why people get disillusioned with the establishment. People there are better parties out there to fellow like Bez and his reality party. A real party for the people

One last thing some one said something about Australia's migration policies about it being the way forward. Bollocks there policy are pure evil. The way they treat refuges is disgusting.

 

Sadly, Tony Blair's successes by turning Labour into a 'Conservative Lite' party and the way his 'rottweiler' Alistair Campbell controlled the press meant that they spread across the middle ground of politics and all the main parties are stuck in that territory frightened to move one way or the other.

Throughout the past 30 years anyone who raises concerns about immigration are immediately set upon by the BBC, in particular through their biased Question Time programme and labelled 'racists'. It's a clever tactic that saw first Blair and then Brown get away with the 'open door' immigration policy that has sown the seeds of the current discontent. Couple that with the way the EU is run, a totally unaccountable 'gravy train' passing many ridiculous dictats and it is easy to see why parties like UKIP will enjoy a brief popularity, and that's what it is, a brief popularity.

UKIP will do well in the upcoming Euro elections because people who would never dream of voting in those elections, which often saw less than 20% turnout, will get off their arses and vote for them by way of protest but come the general election they will revert to type. The only danger is that UKIP, buoyed by Euro success, may actually get enough votes from the Tories to let Labour in with the Liberals in a coalition that doesn't bear thinking about.

The voters, in general, are not totally stupid, they can see what the parties stand for and UKIP will, if there is a referendum on membership of the EU, finally have nothing to stand for and become consigned to history as another failed party...

 

My apologies, Strolls, my comments were not aimed specifically at the interview, but more as general remarks in response to other contributions. I rather like Farage, but he's a prat for not sticking to the central themes of self determination and free flow of peoples within the EU to the detriment of those, say, from within the Commonwealth. That, for example, a Romanian can come over here, settle, work or benefit relatively easily from our generous services than, say, an Indian or a New Zealander is wrong. I believe this country needs and benefits from immigration, but should have the power to determine who can come. This is not racialism, it is common, practical sense. I'm no racialist, but I admit to not being a particularly charitable man; on that basis I would rather we were more selective about to whom our borders are open and bring in, as a first determinant, those having the skills required, not those that simply carry an EU passport. It may be that we need a Polish plumber or a Hungarian dentist, so let them in. But not because they're Polish or Hungarian; make it because they're a plumber or a dentist. We cannot do this as freely as we would wish as a member of the EU.

(Have I been somewhere then?)

 

The European Elections promise little good. National Front in France, Five Star Movement in Italy (Beppe Grillo stated yesterday he was "beyond Hitler"* and proposed marching on Rome as per Mussolini, UKIP who has candidates who have stated Muslims should be forced to swear allegiance to "Queen and Country", the neo Nazi Golden Dawn in Greece and Gert Widers in Holland plus various others.

Quite possibly UKIP, National Front and Five Star can end up with the largest share of the vote in their respective countries or come very close. As for the Left some here are moaning about what Left? There is no Left in the UK certainly not the Labour Party nor Professor Callinicos' personal cult the SWP. Do those on the Right here really wish to return to the seventies with fascist regimes here in Europe in Greece, Spain and Portugal?

Many make the error of believing fascism in 2014 will look like 1930's Germany or Italy, it doesn't. Beppe Grillo, Le Pen and the present regime in Ukraine are what it looks like. Here in the UK not having gone through the trauma of invasion or fascist rule unlike most of Europe, naivety rules.

* http://www.unita.it/politica/grillo...-br-senza-stalin-schulz-con-svastica-1.569654

 

the way they treat refugees or the way they treat ILLEGALS queens

 

That really sums it up Kiwi. It has been said that it would take well over twenty years to fill the MCG(90,000+) at the speed that people come into this country by boat to this country. Which show exactly how disgusting the treatment of these poor people is. It is shameful the way that a government can use the media to scary and make people fear such a small group of people. who are in the whole running from persecution. Don't get me started on the camps on PNG

 

And Christmas Island too isn't it?

 

So, I have finally sat through the LBC interview that Strolls kindly posted the link to on his OP - my previous contributions to this thread being general responses to the remarks of others - and I have the following to offer:

1) The interviewer was clearly biased and made no secret of this, but nonetheless raised some valid questions.
2) Farage acquitted himself quite well (in my opinion) - there was no stumbling, hesitation, cul-de-sac comments etc. If he didn't know, he said he didn't know.
3) The interviewer (or his researchers) had clearly done their homework and the interview was a carefully planned assault on Farage - nothing wrong in that, it's election time.
4) The was no intention on LBC's part to allow Farage to talk at length about EU membership or control of borders, and certainly not without throwing the race card again and again. As I've said before, it's a very effective tactic. If you call somebody a racialist enough times a sufficient number of people will believe it without cause to examine the facts for themselves.

It is interesting (to me at least) that uncontrolled immigration from the EU is opposed by some Asian communities in the UK principally because when they came to the UK they had practically nothing and had to work hard to acquire what they have today, whereas there's a perception that nowadays some EU migrants, specially from the old Eastern Bloc, are coming here for the easy rich pickings that weren't available to them. Are these Asians racialist?

 

Now if the comments you read below came from UKIP there would be an uproar on here from our 'loony lefties and anarchists' but wait they are from a Secretary of State in your current coalition government, is he racist? would the LBC interviewer find this guy a bigot?... what do you think?...........

'Migrants Must Learn English', Asian Minister

Sky News – 3 hours ago
Immigrants must learn to speak English and respect Britain's laws and culture, the new Culture Secretary, Sajid Javid, has said.

Mr Javid, the son of Pakistani immigrants and the first Asian Secretary of State, said that people were entitled to expect that immigrants made a contribution to society.

"People want Britain to have more control over its borders, and I think they are right," he told The Sunday Telegraph.

"People also say, when immigrants do come to Britain, that they should come to work, and make a contribution and that they should also respect our way of life, and I agree with all of that. It means things like trying to learn English."

His comments come at a time when the Tories are under pressure from UKIP over the issue of immigration ahead of Thursday's European elections.

Mr Javid suggested that immigrants already well-established in the UK also needed to take greater responsibility for integrating with the rest of society.

"I know people myself, I have met people who have been in Britain for over 50 years and they still can't speak English," he said.

"I think it's perfectly reasonable for British people to say, look, if you're going to settle in Britain and make it your home, you should learn the language of the country and you should respect its laws and its culture."

A self-confessed Thatcherite, Mr Javid, MP for Bromsgrove, was appointed Culture minister during a reshuffle by David Cameron in April.

The son of a bus driver, who left Pakistan for Rochdale, had been a senior managing director at Deutsche Bank in charge of trading operations in Asia until 2009, where he had been earning an estimated £3m a year.

Mr Javid is tipped as a Tory leader of the future and has said he sees his Muslim faith as no barrier to one day taking the top slot.

 

Madrid - I'm one of the 'loonie lefties and Anarchists' that I think you alude to and sorry to disappoint you but no, the comments don't offend me and lead me to a state of uproar.

What does offend me is when people in UKIP, try to tell me that they (the party UKIP) aren't trying to appeal with their anti immigrant campaigning and imagery, to members of the disenfranchised far right (BNP, NF).
Surely anyone with any intelligence can see that they are doing this AND succeeding.

 

Indeed. The NF and the BNP fascists that they were and still are, at least, unlike UKIP, were and are open with their racism.

Racism, btw. "Racialism" sounds like the 1950's which is probably why it is still used by some.

 

Strolls, that may well all be true. However, the way I see it is when someone is attacked all out like that, the only thing it eventually does is garner sympathy for the "victim". Whatever the public's views are of someone, even if they're an asshole, the one thing they don't want to see is a biased, uneven engagement. Its a sure-fire way of making the interviewee more popular than they were before.

I think back to a Question Time episode a couple of years back when they had Nick Griffin on. What would've been the best way to expose Griffin to the Country? Straight, evenhanded questioning and allowing the public to make up their own minds. What did the Beeb do? They turned him into a victim. They packed the audience with people who wanted Griffins head on a platter, they bombarded him from start to finish - not giving him enough time to answer the question, they had all sorts of dirt dug up on him from 20 years ago, the panelists all turned on him too wanting their pound of flesh etc etc etc. It was a massacre. But in reality, it was a car crash. It made the BBC look ridiculous that night IMO. And for the next couple of days you could see sympathy emerging for Griffin from middle of the road people who before would have looked upon him with contempt.

The problem has been, as Sooper said above, that the BBC and the media in general have set about anyone wishing to raise legitimate points regarding immigration, with bats and clubs, beating them senseless with the racism card. The effect of that has been to drive the middle-class concerned citizen into the clutches of the extreme right. If the two major parties and the State broadcaster had of dealt with this issue sensibly from the word go, UKIP and the BNP wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as they are now. (I'm not equating UKIP with the BNP btw, I'm just referring to movements to the right of the Tories)

Stroller, if you want Farage drawn and quartered and his head stuck on a spike outside Westminster, by all means do your worst. But you will make a martyr of him and people love nothing more than a martyr. I should know. I'm Irish!

 

Nothing like 'selective' interpretation of topics eh Staines, as for your 'mob' they are no better than the BNP or NF. The disgraceful scenes that the anti-fascists, socialist workers party, etc.... get up are nothing short of blatant thuggery from wild packs of unruly animals enjoying their 'right' to democracy when the opposite are prohibited cos it's 'racist'. Laughable.

 

Interesting view on the socialists of this country....... when I was at school in the late 80's, my school was overtly left wing. All pupils were encouraged to take a copy of the socialist worker home. As a 14 year old i wasn't interested and would just say no thanks. After a couple of months it was noticed that I wasn't taking the paper and was often called a fascist. The two thing I have thought about this over the years are....1) The term fascist has become a byword for anyone that doesn't agree with the left wing, which is a gross misuse of the term. 2) The left are just as capable of bullying and brain washing, which is often seen as a tool of the so called fascists.

In essence, plague on both their houses. When it comes to the far left or the far right they are both as bad as each other. Like most things in this world there requires a balance.

 

Nothing like dodging the debate, eh Madrd .
I will assume you agree with my view on the people Farage and his boys are aiming for. If not, please tell me I'm wrong.
And as for your views on my mob ?? You are correct. I believe the far right should by opposed on both a physical and political plain. If that makes me a thug....then I'm sure I can live with that.

 

It is often said that Communism and Fascism are the 'two ends of the circle', relatively the same thing with different leadership...

 

Most isms have no effect on me now due to the overuse and dilution of the terms.
Ironically this is now pushing people in the exact opposite direction the lefties want.

This will only increase the support for the likes of the UKIP.

 

Dodging what debate? With regards to the people that UKIP are targeting well that is the same people that Labour forgot about during their disastrous tenure in government and if you are happy to be a thug then good for you.