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Nemanja Vidic: Man Utd players did not stop trying for David Moyes

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    Matth_2014 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah just read it, now watch Rio Meo blow Vidic's story to pieces in his new book.

    Vidic is towing the clubs in house policy but Rio only cares about him and he'll hang Utd's dirty washing out to dry.
     
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    Nemanja Vidic: Man Utd players did not stop trying for David Moyes

    Could have fooled me!
    The fact that he is claiming otherwise is ridiculous, anyone who saw United play last season could see that they had no spirit or passion.
     
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  4. If they were seriously trying then Man Utd are in a worse state than I thought!
     
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    Exactly.
    I refuse to believe that the same squad can go from smashing the league by 11 points to 7th, just because of a change of manager.
    Their talent alone should have seen them good for a top 4 finish.
     
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  6. TBF, it was a **** league in 2012-13 though <whistle>
     
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    To be fair, though, they didn't play much better under Ryan Giggs than they did under Moysie. They failed to play for any manager other than Fergie. They need some fresh blood in their team.
     
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    John terry
    Steven gerrard
    Jamie carragher
    Frank lampard

    Dont mind me. Just a list of names that i feel should be left here to make a point.

    Think its also a good time to point out that nobody in the united crowd sang for another manager while moyes was here unlike... Oh.... Lets say... Liverpool or chelsea.

    Theres two clubs in world football whos actions recently dont allow them to have an opinion on the goings on at united just now. No need to name them...
     
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    is that because Liverpool didn't win the league that season.
     
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    Not quite sure of the relevance of the names above to be honest and how it relates to Man Utd but never mind.

    As far as the crowd singing goes.....f**k the crowd.
    Football fans for the most are a bunch of fickle douchebags.
    Im talking about the players. I wouldnt have expected it from them after SAF left.
     
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    The relevence is obvious.

    And why?
     
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    Another top thread by Metth
     
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    When have we ever? <whistle>
     
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    When dinosaurs roamed the earth and when your keeper could pick up the pass backs<ok>
     
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  15. Your getting better <laugh>
     
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    <yikes> Was Helmatron in goal? <laugh>
     
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    Two possibilities:

    1. Vidic is simply talking BS to try and save his own reputation and those of others at the club. Similar to the 'vote of confidence', when a player feels the need to deny something like this in public, that's often a sign that it's actually true. Like Terry insisting the Chelsea players didn't get AVB sacked in 2012, or the Liverpool players insisting they tried for Hodgson, only for Gerrard to admit they got him fired a year later. If so, then the truth will come out, probably in a few months.

    2. SAF had such a huge impact on the club that the players don't even realise how far we've slid. There are plenty of examples, in business, football and other areas of life, of people being unable to realise their own faults, and claiming that they are doing everything exactly the same and yet everything is going wrong, particularly after a big change in leadership or a long period of success. Vidic being at the heart of that success probably makes him even less likely to be able to identify what's changed and why.
     
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    Good points, Swarbs. I'd opt for #2, but, then, I'm a touch biased.
     
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  19. 3. All of the above?
     
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    Option 1, almost certainly. And if everybody casts aside the all to easy moral highground for a minute, can you 100% blame them?

    I imagine there came a point, shortly after Christmas, where factions of players had had more than their guts full and started conspiring ways to get rid of their manager. They knew they were at the top of a cliff edge looking down, they knew that the tactics weren't working, that they were being asked to play like Everton and that everything your last manager had put in place was being taken apart and replaced with an Everton replica.

    They also knew that if they played to their full abilities they could have kept their manager in his job - a manager who, by the way, spent half of his press conferences implicitly saying that the squad he had wasnt good enough.

    David Moyes - top bloke, but always the wrong fit for your club. Easy to say in retrospect, but those players were going to respond to one of two things:

    A relatively unproven manager with new ideas and enthusiasm and a track record of decent results, who is prepared to engage in the Man Utd culture and ethos, ensure continuity of backroom staff and SLOWLY phase in his way of doing things (after at least a season or so), gaining their trust along the way

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    A huge footballing personality with a jammed full trophy cabinet and a bigger ego than the lot of them combined, who they knew damn well knew how to win trophies and knew damn well would turf out every last one of them that didnt toe the line.

    Moyes was neither - and we are all experts on reflection, but it was never going to work. And I for one, whilst I feel sorry for Moyes, find it difficult to criticise players who knew they were on to a loser for manipulating a situation to get their manager fired. It is very unfair on Moyes, who is a decent man and didnt deserve it, but you would be hard pressed to find a dressing room of players in that situation who wouldnt.
     
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