You might find this interesting. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...-of-Britains-wind-farm-industry-revealed.html Even though the Tories are trying to reverse this. It's too late for them. Many Tories are defecting to UKIP. Which unfortunately gives Labour an advantage. Sad to think giving UKIP more power allows THEM in. The thought of more social engineering for the next 8 years scares the crap out me. Edit: At least 8 years. gulp!
There is no need for some epic clean up in the future. Nuclear energy is far safer and cleaner than the majority of people realise. It would literally solve the vast majority of energy problems we face.
Its ok afcftw, these lot are more than happy to say nothing about the current discrimination we have in our current immigration policies, courtesy of the EU and our current government. But UKIP call for equal border controls that do not discriminate, and these clowns shoult discrimination and racism lol, couldnt make it up, you really couldn't. You only have to read Dai's comments about chucking out immigrants to realise how much they have actually taken note of the policies up for debate, zero. OR his comments about expats working in Europe, we are happy for immigrants to come here and work, but only if it benefits us, same as should be the case for Brits going to other countries, only if it benefits them.
UKIP got less than 1 million Tories just short of 11 million, Labour short of 9 million, Libs short of 7 million. No UKIP were elected. UKIP expected to do far better in the European elections as a protest vote turns out. The vote is expected to be at the cost of the conservatives. Most people who voted UKIP were over 65, male and overwhelmingly white, 99.5%.
Ok so with those figures ukip at the last general election when no-one really thought they would do anything got about 10-15% the number of votes as any of the major 3. (Which by the way is huge for a party who isn't one of the established 3). They had no-one elected but that's no surprise with the way politics works in this country, it's geared to keep one of labour or conservatives in power. If we had proportional representation of any variety we would have had our first ukip mp at the last elections. I agree during the European elections people are more likely to stray from there normal vote and even if ukip totally clear up at the European elections they won't get into power at the general elections. I completely get what your saying. But a large European victory will give people far more faith that the party can actually take the next step and enter the British government. Ukip's popularity is rising whether you choose to recognise it or not. And whilst a large proportion of ukip voters are older and white (funnily enough so is a large portion of the population of the country) I fail to see how that somehow belittles them? Also where are you getting 99.5% from?
Not trying to belittle anyone with these figures, these were from the demographic of the last election. UKIP took around 4% of the vote, not something to be sniffed at. I expect them to take 3-4 million votes in the European election which will be a huge success for them. Given their right wing tendancies and complete lack of any creditable policies, and people like you who will vote for them regardless, it is a worry for the major parties.
Well a recent poll puts UKIP at 31% Protest vote or not that is 20 million racists. If the general election has a high turn out of UKIP supporters but no elected mp's then there will be no representation for those millions of disgruntled people. The political establishment would crumble or adapt. Time to pack your bags. edit: oh silly me. http://news.sky.com/story/1259558/ukip-set-for-comfortable-win-in-euro-elections
My problem with wind farms is that there's so much focus on them yet politicians the media basically ignore other forms of renewable energy that would be way more effective such as tidal energy. The Bristol Channel has some of the largest tidal ranges in the world and so would be ideal but the way politicians and the media go on, you'd think wind power is the only form of renewable energy that exists. And what about biogas? Does anyone ever talk about biogas? Damn right they don't. I agree, nuclear power is probably the best form of energy in the short term and quite safe nowadays. People talk about Fukushima, but it's rather unlikely the UK is going to be hit by a tsunami.
You just can't quite get that judgemental edge out of your tone can you lol Whilst I'm not going to argue about the credibility of there policies with you due to that being opinion based, I will pick up on the line about "people like me" who will "vote for them regardless". What kind of person is that?Regardless of what? I've made my decision to vote ukip based on an interest in politics and intelligent analysis of the options I'm presented with. You seem to think anyone who votes ukip is somehow brain washed and doesn't actually follow politics. When in reality you have a totally warped view of ukip as a party and the people who support them and tar them all by the same brush.
Fool the only counts that matter are the ones after the election I'll stick to my 3-4 million forecast, Sky isnt the most reputable forecaster.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsit...esperately-seeking-fascism/14985#.U3DSP_ldU2H Sorry to repost this. but I think gendros missed it.
Fool, people generally get the government they deserve, if people vote UKIP then they deserve them. Financially I will be far better off without having to contribute so much to those who are sick, disabled, unemployed or use the NHS, there is sunshine behind every cloud.
Firstly we are an ageing population, and that includes you Gendros! Secondly how much do you think the Pharmaceuticals cost the tax payer with their extortionately rigged market? Thirdly how many Billions have successive Goverments wasted on hair brain schemes for the NHS? Fourthly how much NHS property has been sold off to the back pockets of Tory developers over the years, and finally who's been ripping of the tax payer with extortionate old people homes and care centers? your Tory mates Gendros that's who, the same people who site on the boards of these Pharmaceutical giants, and who have never been brought to book over the years, and who are the biggest hidden cost to our health service in the UK, but never have they been challenged for the way they extort vast sums of money from the tax payer, Billions every year they cost the NHS, now there's a real scam to focus on!...................
As one of the ageing population Dragon I had the foresight to invest in my pension and healthcare so the future is bright. I intend to live to a ripe old age slowly pickling myself with G&T. As I'm getting older maybe I will retire to my gite, South-West France has a much better climate and quantities of the local villages wine, the food is better and people are more sociable.
Sorry I've come to this very late and am nursing a Magaluf hangover from hell (1 Euro a pint for god's sake). Like many people in the UK I tend to switch my vote depending on the nature of the election and what I think is good for the country at the time. I've voted Tory, Lib and Labour in my time. I think dogmatically voting for one party because of upbringing, background and so on is not for me. The time was right for Blair, for example. **** I got that one wrong didn't I? My current take is that Labour left this country in a hell of a mess, some of which (though not all) was of their own doing. I still want to smack Ed Balls in the face every time I see him though. I also think the Coalition are actually doing a decent job if you look at the figures and the UK is growing remarkably fast compared to other powerhouse economies. This has definitely pulled the rug from under Labour whether you like it or not. I find UKIP quite fascinating really. Amongst other things they've tapped in to public concerns (some say fears) over mass immigration and how it affects this country and those concerns are justified there is little doubt. Recent years have seen big increases in immigration and that will continue as the EU inevitably and inexorably expands. With a rapidly growing economy this country will be a massive magnet for a huge influx of labour from the old Eastern Bloc and beyond. It's inevitable. The countries that lie between them and us are mainly in the Euro Zone with all the problems that has brought. If I was a Romanian labourer it's a no brainer. The cultural erosion of national identity is a worry. Most of the population of Leicester is now non-white. Schools in some areas of England have to cope with 23 languages in a class. Some schools are madrasas where the starting point of learning is the Q'Uran and we've recenty seen how attempts have been made to push white anglos off governors' boards. If anyone thinks that's a good thing I'd love to see your argument. But I'm more concerned with our country's infrastructure. We've seen how hospital waiting lists are struggling to come down. In England there's been some progress but only the pretty useless AMs in Cardiff are ****ing that one up for Wales. In Education, school resources are pushed to the limit - I used to be a governor - so how on earth are they going to cope with another massive influx of mainly non-English speaking children? Our roads are packed to capacity and are falling apart. This country could become extremely crowded indeed over the next 20 years if we don't do something about it. We keep hearing arguments about the skills these workers bring in. Really? So skilled that we couldn't do without them? I don't think so. My wife works in a low paid job and was recently told by one of her bosses when she complained about something that if she didn't like it she should get out because "there are 100 people who will take your job at the drop of a hat". Sad thing is he was right and immigration will only add to that sad, sorry state of affairs. UKIP is therefore an appealing option. Farage is impressive but I was less than impressed with the local candidate when I spoke to him in town recently. Nice guy, but he's no Farage, though interestingly he did tell me his daughter was married to a black guy so there goes the racism argument though I'm sure they've also attracted the wrong sort of candidate too. I do have some reservations about their 'other' policies though. At the moment they're at serious risk of being a one-issue party and that worries me. They're against gay marriage and until they reverse that I may have a problem with them. Bottom line I think is that the EU has become something it was never intended to be, where a giant beurocracy passes laws and elects his own heads without any reference to the 500 million people it represents. But whatever you vote, take a look at Farage in full flow in the European Parlaiment. Quite rightly he was making the point that when Herman Van Rompuy was elected as President of Europe (OK it's called President of the European Council) he was selected not by voters across Europe but by the Council itself. Completely undemocratic but so typical of the EU. It's cringeworthy but hilarious at the same time. Between the hyperbole the points he makes are valid imo. Happy voting! [video=youtube;lqovTGjYjM4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqovTGjYjM4[/video] If you've got a bit more time this is an epic rant showing that he's VERY clued up and predicted much of the disaster the Euro would bring. Music is too dramatic but bloody hell they guy was spot on. I thought he was full of ****. He wasn't: [video=youtube;ez-88_hIrLY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez-88_hIrLY[/video]
