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Garry Monk - time to nail your colours to the mast

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by aswan_dam, Apr 20, 2014.

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Garry Monk - hire or fire?

  1. I don't want him as manager after the end of this season

  2. I'm prepared to give him 12 games next season and see what happens

  3. I'd like to see him get the job permanently

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  1. aswan_dam

    aswan_dam Well-Known Member

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    There seems to be 4 main objections to GM becoming the permanent manager:

    1) Lack of Premier League experience as a manager (or experience at any level)

    2) Not good enough tactically - "he's been out-thought etc etc"

    3) Poor team selections and substitutions.

    4) No contacts / no draw factor to the club for new players

    How do you rate him in each of these categories? Do you think opinion on this forum is representative of the Swansea fanbase as a whole?
     
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  2. Jack Uzi

    Jack Uzi Active Member

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    1) Have no problem with that. (see Ferguson, Paisley etc).

    2) May be a problem. He's learning though. (see Arsenal away).

    3) Can't see that myself. (see Emnes yesterday).

    4) Laudrup was great for the club and brought in some great players for little. But never underestimate the allure of playing in the Premier League and all the money that entails.
     
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  3. roofjack_22

    roofjack_22 Well-Known Member

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    D- I'd like to wait to see what unfolds for transfer requests before deciding , otherewise it's 12 games next season if we get over 40 points this season .
     
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  4. trundles left foot

    trundles left foot Well-Known Member

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    i just dont think we can take a chance on him. After 12 games it could be to late, dependent on his signings as the window woud be closed. I just think it is to big a risk to give him the task of spending the millions we would have after the so called big departures.
     
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  5. Taffvalerowdy

    Taffvalerowdy Well-Known Member

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    New Manager at end of season, in time to plan for next season.
     
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  6. gendrosjack

    gendrosjack New Member

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    Extremely poor on all counts, must be changed asap!
     
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  7. Yankee_Jack

    Yankee_Jack Well-Known Member

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    Ditto
     
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  8. neveroffsidereff

    neveroffsidereff Well-Known Member

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    New manager in for me. Someone with bit of quality about him.
     
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  9. Norway-jack

    Norway-jack Well-Known Member

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    If he is manager next season we are down. The premier league is not the place to learn the ropes of management plain and simple.

    Time for the board to pin their colours to mast if you ask me.
     
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  10. Dragonborn

    Dragonborn Active Member

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    I voted no thanks:

    1) Lack of Premier League experience as a manager (or experience at any level): This isn't his fault. He is probably a manager for the future but it's a big ask at this level.

    2) Not good enough tactically - "he's been out-thought etc etc" This is also true. The Emnes sub is the first thing that's worked out.

    3) Poor team selections and substitutions. Lita????? Good Spanish players frozen out. Not good.

    4) No contacts / no draw factor to the club for new players: The biggest one for me. Not saying we need a 'name' at all but it helps. Saying we're Premier League isn't enough. There are 19 other clubs looking at talent as well. Losing Laudrup was definitely a blow in this department whether you're a pro or anti Laudrup person. Previous experience not only counts for a lot but that person would have inevitably developed useful contacts that have the potential to benefit the Club. Not his fault but Monk just doesn't have that.

    Would I change my mind if we were to win all our remaining games? Not sure. That would show he's answered criticisms on points 1 - 3 at least in part, but not the fourth.
     
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  11. Stumpy

    Stumpy Well-Known Member

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    Difficult to say without knowing the squad. Hopefully we'll be left with a squad commited to the Swans and those who aren't have fooked off to wherever. That's the important thing, that our squad is tight, lead by someone they respect who can get the best out of them.

    Don't know who that someone is but whoever it is, if we start next season under those conditions I'll be more than happy
     
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  12. aswan_dam

    aswan_dam Well-Known Member

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    Every week that goes by, Garry Monk gains experience as a Premier League manager - how many is that under his belt already.

    A lot were getting excited at the prospect of the Brighton manager when his name was mentioned, but Garry Monk now has more PL experience than him!

    To answer my own questions:

    1) see above
    2) he's come up against Mourinho and lost by one goal with 10 men. He's come up against Wenger and got a point. He had 2 head-to-heads with Rafa Benitez and nearly came up trumps. I just don't buy the argument he isn't up to it tactically.
    3) We seem to have slagged off every Swansea manager with poor team selections and substitutions, so I don't buy that one either - it's what fans do.
    4) This could be a problem, I suppose.

    Overall, I've nothing against him carrying on, but naive is my middle name.
     
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  13. Dragonborn

    Dragonborn Active Member

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    "But never underestimate the allure of playing in the Premier League and all the money that entails."

    This is a big mistake imo. If a player is any good it's highly likely that other teams in the Prem will be looking at him (Bony anyone?). It's not just money that swings it - if it did we'd lose almost every time. Having a manager with contacts, possibly bringing in players he's worked with before, makes a difference.

    Aswan: "We seem to have slagged off every Swansea manager with poor team selections and substitutions, so I don't buy that one either - it's what fans do."

    No it's what fans do when managers get it wrong.
     
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  14. Stereo

    Stereo Well-Known Member

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    I agree with all 4 points.
    Let's not forget about the team selection for the Everton match in the FA Cup. He should have been sacked for that alone.
     
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  15. roofjack_22

    roofjack_22 Well-Known Member

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    He might have been sacked if he didnt follow orders at the Everton FA CUP game sterio, concerning the picked squad .
     
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  16. Norway-jack

    Norway-jack Well-Known Member

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    Makes you wonder if they threw it on purpose doesn t it ?
     
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  17. ProjectVRD

    ProjectVRD Well-Known Member

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    I'd give him the first 12 games to see what unfolds, because I blame the majority of this seasons problems on the previous manager much to the disgust of those who let big names get in front of reasonable judgement. If Monk wins the next three games he will have a good win ratio in the Premier League since we arrived, six in thirteen would be very respectable given the disaster zone he had to inherit.
     
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  18. mustyfrog

    mustyfrog Well-Known Member

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    sack him now
     
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  19. The Lone Rangel

    The Lone Rangel Active Member

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    1) It's an complete lack of any kind of experience other than playing. He's not someone who's been running teams at the lower age levels. Kristian O'Leary has more experience of coaching a team, and nobody is talking about making him manager.

    2) Our midfield was bossed for 80 minutes yesterday. By Newcastle. He did nothing to change it. Too many collapses after half time. He's too slow reacting to opposition tweaks.

    3) Too many decent players left out because their faces don't fit. Why is an 18 year old kid on the bench ahead of Canas or Pozuelo? Why is one of our key central midfielders playing on the wing?

    4) The least concerning part. Money and the allure of the Premier League will attract players.


    Hardly any reasons to appoint him. Too many to not.
     
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  20. ProjectVRD

    ProjectVRD Well-Known Member

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    Well that was an entertaining load of bollocks to read LR <laugh>
     
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