Yeh he's reverted back a few times, but how can you criticise his time at Everton where he was forced to work with a squad of players who were always a level below that of other top 4 clubs? I think the step up (and expectations) at United are bigger than he expected, and I reckon he's reverted to type as a safety net to "what he knows". You quote the CL game in germany and then the game after, but wasn't Moyes the one in charge of that Leverkeusen game? Everything is seen far too black and white with Moyes. He's reverted to type, but there have also been games where Moyes got United playing some great attacking football, particularly in the first half of the season - some we won, but some we lost bcos our midfield was poor and exposed our defence. No surprise then that he reverted to type to over-compensate. Here's a question for you, did you enjoy our style of football in the previous 2 or 3 seasons under Fergie???
Imagine van Gaal coming in and his first interview.... reporter - "so Mr Gaal, welcome to the Premier League. How would you asses your new clubs current situation" van Gaal - "We'll everywhere I look there are winners, in every position and not just winners but serial winners. They just need someone who believes in them" reporter - "Do you think you need wholesale changes all over the squad? van Gaal - "nonsense, this is a great side full of great players. I believe I have the best squad in the league" Now obviously the above is made up but its probably close to what we could expect from van Gaal. Its exactly what Moyes should have been saying and its exactly what Fergie made them believe. Weve seen the effect this has on sides.
I don't understand how anyone older than 10 can continue to support Moyes! You are absolutely right - and now that even the most deluded fan must accept that we will only be observers of the CL next year, even more reason to start afresh and brush the rubbish manager out. The season has not been a total disaster in that we are not in the relegation zone, but it has been the worst in many fans' living memory, adding new 'lows' to many statistics! Whilst I concede that it is not all Moyes' fault, the buck should stop with him and fans should insist on change. At the end of last season, I hoped that SAF's successor would be Martinez. What a pity SAF insisted on his fellow Scot, he of PNE fame and very little else. Perhaps Glazer can persuade Martinez to move?
A big club like ours needs a proven manager each time a change is due. I don't see how we can go down the road of someone like Martinez - he would likely or not be the same as Moyes....seemingly a good prospect, but completely out of his depth. We can't keep chancing it with untested managers, just look at the consequences of this one season. When the time comes - sooner hopefully before Moyes wastes £120m on the Everton subs bench - we should harvest the best global management talent. After all, a top class manager will only cost £3m per year, compare that to the loss of revenues from just one season of CL football and the prices being asked for some of the crap players these days.
1974? Too young for that me but ive spoken with many who were around who feel its worse now. the aura of United is missing for the first time under Moyes. For once nobody hopes, expects, dreams. Its been a nightmare. It may not be the worst on paper but I think its generally accepted that this is the worst season in decades. 30 or 40 years. regardless of age or generation that is a life time around 80% of the world.
I for one am happy for Moyes to stay until at least Christmas and get money to spend, clearly you guys will not agree with me though. Just a question, if Fergie was still in charge and did not qualify for the CL, would you all be callling for him to step aside and retire? I'm guessing it would be a yes for most of you. The fact remains we do not have a God-given right to challenge for the title every year. There are going to be blips and we will recover from them. I know your disillusionment comes from Moyes' tactics and the Fellaini signing. But I for one don't want us to turn into a Chelsea or City that change managers after every bad season. I know it works for them and some fans will be happy with that setup though.
He of Wigan fame? And very little else. That Martinez? You contradict yourselves in your own post, deriding Moyes for having no big time experience and then suggesting Martinez, it's laughable. And I can tell you as a man in his forties with a very good memory I've experienced a good few seasons worse than this, however you might want to paint it otherwise. And, answering UIR's claim, which is correct, that our aura has gone. Who created the aura? Where is he now? THAT is why the aura has gone. The new manager will have to create his own because the one we had went with the men who created it and that would have happened to whoever took over. I don't think Moyes is the right man myself from what I've seen so far but I still think he will be given the opportunity to buy his own players this summer and then be judged on that. That's what's going to happen. Anyone who things that Van Gaal could come to the club and turn us into some scary force overnight needs their head read.
Pretty sure Fergies earned our respect and the right, if he suddenly became ****, to miss out on a season. However, he never would have. We would be top 2 now under Fergie...... And he would consider that a failure.
The worrying thing about Moyes is that he has destroyed United's winning DNA and aura at Old Trafford in six months. 1/8 on to win a CL tie when the score is 1-1 at half-time... that's ridiculous for a club of United's stature. How can you ruin Old Trafford's aura so quickly? Look at Jose: first thing he does is make SB a fortress. Your new manager needs to make Old T intimidating again
Van gaal will bring what moyes hasnt. A plan. He would be the manager to steady us and get us going in tge right direction. Also Fergie has gone but he wasnt man utd. United created the aura. Fergie was just apart of that.
No, Fergie created it. We did not have it until he came. That is a simple fact. Busby also had it and it went when he left too, exactly the same. Between those two era's United were powder puff, there was no aura. I see Van Gaal as very much short term so ultimately pointless. I really do see Klopp as the long term option.
United may have to change coaches a few times before getting it right. Ancelotti would have been a good stop gap until finding the right long-term talented younger coach.
Not that far back mate, but the 80's were dire enough. No sniff of a title for large parts, and whether we were finishing 4th or bottom half of the table as we did (forgotten by some), there was no chance of a European Cup. I remember the excitement of FA Cup successes, Whiteside's class curler in the final being the few highlights, but mostly supporting a club which clearly were worse circumstances than today - particularly with Liverpool dominating, both on the pitch and financially. That's when ALL circumstances conspired to reduce expectations. There really were only little victories for us in that decade. When you put it in perspective, we're nowhere near that level, and you're saying that people have lost hope, they don't expect anything from us...after one bad season??? Bloody hell.
Do you remember the atmosphere in St Peters Square on the Sunday after, not had celebrations like that for years.
Up until Fergie winning the league for the first time the only people who felt the United Aura was us, the united supporters. We had the aura (to me and others) back in the 70s and 80s, unfortunately other teams just couldn`t see it
