He may have started it but CTWD have to take some of the blame. They have created an opposing camp, tried to rally troops, through mild propaganda (flags, songs, banners, badges, scarves) and alienated and vilified anyone that had opposing views to them or questioned anything about them. That's no different than what the Allams did really. I would have much rather preferred a supporters group that attempted to unify the supporters peacefully and undo AA's work rather than pretty much mirror AA's antics and discredit the owner of our club. Why do you think theres such a huge ****ing majority of people on the fence? Apathy? or Maybe it's because they want both ****ing camps to stop their ****ing bullshit.
I'm gutted, I had to give up my season pass 2, 3 this year, seasons ago and I strongly feel that my vote could have been 'one of the 48'. Again I ask, when attempting to market our club abroad, why were those of us living around the world not considered? I was a season ticket holder for 11 years before I moved away and now I don't hold the right to a vote?? I do agree that this poll outcome may be the best long term result for keeping AA happy and still getting the NO; but I must be honest, I expected something along a 60-40, 70-30 anti name change vote. At the end of the day, if he counter-challenges the decision next year, what leg do we have? Of all the season tickets who could be arsed to vote, the majority are behind him. It was a rigged poll, a loaded question, we dont know how the blank ballot forms were counted, but when the dust settles he has the statistic he craved the most. I am wholeheartedly disappointed in the outcome: relevant to the outcome or not, it says enough about our 'glory or nothing' supporter sense at the moment.
It isn't a No vote either and should not be counted as one. We heard from the "No Name Change" supporters that there was a huge "Silent Majority" out there who were against the name change. Where were they when it came to casting their vote. 15000 season ticket holders received ballots. The Silent Majority remained silent. They DIDNT CARE.!!! What they said with their silence, and thats what you people who stand up at City games and wave your banners and hold your little meetings don't get. The vast majority of City supporters DONT CARE. You can demonstrate all you want and call Mr.Allam all the vile names you want.
Absolutely spot on Happy Tiger. My thoughts almost exactly. The "silent majority" who were predicted by the CTWD crowd to rise up in righteous indignation against the "evil Allams" have made their feelings perfectly clear in this poll with one enormous yawn. No matter how many times you purported "traditionalists" try to manufacture a club crisis out of the name change issue the sooner you realize you don't have the support you claimed the better. Time to move on and get 100% behind the best team and management in our history. You might want to begin by getting rid of those banners. And for God's sense have at least the good sense not to spoil one of the best days we'll ever enjoy by unfurling them at Wembley.
PLT I know we had our disagreements on Graham but on most other team matters I respect your opinion and have given your postings a lot of "like" votes. But we are never going to agree on the name change issue so I'll leave it at that. Just one point you mention. I have several times and at some length stated why I think Mr.Allam is the best owner we've ever had, along with Harold Needler, so I'm not going to repeat myself. I also know that the CTWD match day protests are loud as I hear them on TV (personally i regard them as distracting rather than impressive. But I wouldn't confuse volume with majority support. In my opinion that view has been pretty well laid to rest by the new poll, unpalatable though it may be to CTWD.
Get over it Benjo. The glaringly obvious conclusion of this vote is that the vast majority of supporters are not overly concerned either way. The only real surprise is how few voted against the name change. Where were you all when your cause needed you? Oh, that's right... you all voted. There simply wasn't enough of you.
Get rid of what banners? The ony CTWD protest during games is the CTID chant at 19.04, it always has been.
It was Allam that was predicting the silent majority back him, so your argument's 180 degrees out and goes against your own stance.
We have never claimed we had majority support. We said we didn't know and the matter should be put to a vote of season tickets holders. When we raised it in November Assem Allam said he wasn't going to have one. It was only when the FA committee recommended rejection he thought it a good idea, but he added the I'll walk away unless you vote for it. The only reason he'd have done that was because he thought he'd lose the vote. Despite threatening to walk away, two full page ads in the HDM he got a majority of less than 50. I'd say he's got a problem, whether he sees it like that I doubt.
What many seem to be missing, is that nobody voted 'Yes to Hull Tigers', it wasn't one of the options, if you voted for the Allam's to stay, you were voting Yes to Hull Tigers by default. That's why no organisation will ever take this poll seriously.
The majority isn't over 800 because they weren't bother if the name changed under the Allams' leadership. They also weren't bothered if the name stayed the same. As they aren't bothered you can't just add them to one side and not the other. To avoid the confusion all he had to ask was tick Hull Tigers or Hull City. I suspect he knew what the result would be so the big stick came out. I'm off if you don't do what I want. I think I've had many run ins with Stuart on CI but I'd be surprised if he hasn't been to the majority of City matches, home and way, over the past 30 or 40 years.
Happy Tiger and his ilk seem to overlook the fact that the 'Yes' vote carried an explicit vote of confidence in the Allams (that was the way they worded it). Where is the confidence vote they sought?
The 'vast majority' did not care enough to give the Allams a vote of confidence (which the 'Yes' option asked for)!
What about the questions, the process and the votes they didn't see? http://www.beyond belief.co.uk/news.html
After a bit of time to ponder the 2500 vote against actually seems like the right number. As I said all of us against it made sure we voted no, and 2500 seems just about bang on the right number of singers at 19:04. It really only ever encompasses around 3/4 of the east stand, although they do a credible job and create good noise when they do it. What surprises me is the number of yes voters. How many people are so thick to be lulled into voting for that shambles? I do not believe 2500 people genuinely prefer Hull Tigers. In fact, I'd be surprised if that number was any more than about 10.
