... who still thinks that Project Monk is a success? By my reckoning we have the following league record in the Garry Monk era. Played - 10 matches. Won - 2; Drawn - 3; Lost - 5. Points earned = 9 (out of 30). Now, I am not getting into a comparison between the number of points Michael Laudrup engineered in his last ten matches as Manager, since that is a futile exercise,and he has left the Club. The Swans' currently have 33 points and are positioned precariously above the relegation zone. There are five matches left,and I can see us losing them all.Should that be the case, the Club will still be on 33 points,and that won't be enough to retain Premier League status. No "easy" games left,not that there ever were any. Excuses have come and gone,and not a single point earned from them. Near misses,and "we should have beaten them" comments, also amount to "nil point". The inconsistencies that have plagued the team all season have now,finally, come home to roost. RELEGATION IS A REAL POSSIBILITY NOW.
Might wanna recheck mate, as Monk has only played 9 league games, as ML had played 24 when he got sacked. Won 2, drawn 3, lost 4 For me the ones who have ruined our season is the board and fans that wanted ML out. For me they all over-reacted. I don't blame Monk, although that will change if he was involved in getting ML sacked. But until then he has my backing, but so far its not good. He is not ready for the role on a permanent basis, and if Dai is to be believed, then the board are already convinced he is the man, in which case they need to be held accountable for any problems and be removed. Will we then see how much the decision making is for the benefit of the club then.
I think we will stay up, only because there are three worse teams than us, thank god!!! Monk is NOT the man to take us forward, if the board do appoint him then next season will be even worse than this one.
You are right,swans,I counted Everton twice,but one was in FA Cup. The basic premise of thread is the same,however. I share the sentiments you express in your last paragraph.
2 wins in 9. Look at the positive. Always a silver lining somewhere If Monk is in charge next year, we'll go down.
If anyone is overreacting its a few on here...I remember the same ones slating martinez off as a mistake and non league football was a certainty. Monk has stepped into the breach at short notice because laudrup lost the plot and treated the club with contempt and the football and atmosphere at the club has improved ten fold and that is a fact....Instead of armchair fans slating an ex player who is doing his best to change things for the better try and get to a match sometimes and see for yourselves how much work monk is putting in and the players trying their best to win. If you expect us to win every game then your crazy, Chelsea got beat last week at palace and man city lost at cardiff earlier in the season, Monk is getting great reviews at the way he is handling things at the club and losing 1-0 away at hull is no shame at all with the way things are. I know that monk is to be made the full manager at the end of the season whether you agree or not. nobody at the club cares two hoots what any armchair fan thinks anyway as they can see by the atmosphere and cheers for monk that the majority of fans show at every game. monk is the right man for the job and better than any big name charley out there who knows nothing about what the club is all about and what we are trying to get back too after ladrups fiasco.
Setting yourself up for a big failure again Dai, what are you going to do when he's sacked? I remember you hoping for the Swans to lose their pre-season games when Brendon Rodgers was appointed manager, now he's managing your favourite team he's the best thing since sliced bread, you just cant make it up. Still as you have said repeatedly, you are stopping supporting the Swans this year!
Vetch I know we shot ourselves in the foot again yesterday, but there are at least 3 games that are winnable if only our players decided to put a bloody shift in? Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle are all winnable in my view, I'm still of the opinion we are not going down!.............. PS: But I'm bloody sick of our players attitude in games and not turning up, against Hull you'd swear we had nothing to play for and were safe.
Dai, we need a real manager and someone who will bring fresh and new ideas! IMO our system is being sussed and we need an answer to it. I like monk and support him while he is in charge but he needs to learn his trade under an experienced manager. It is evident to anyone with half a brain that he is out of his depth, not his fault but that's the fact! So I very much doubt that monk is the right man for the job and will get the job. But what I can see as a possibility is having Graham Jones take over full time and have Monk as assistant!
We'll see how loud the cheers for Monk are if we remain playing like this and if thats their best effort then they need a long hard look in the mirror, Chelsea at home next so we can only dream of a result against them so while those below us continue to pick up points we're slowly slipping down .If you're so certain Monk will get the job full time why hasn't he been given it now ? , but I think we all know the answer to that one don't we , we started off the season with the same squad of players ,added to it in January and still look as ragged arsed as before , leaving out players who have put more than a decent shift in but now no where to be seen and having the likes of Leroy F**king Lita coming on off the bench showing the same reasons as they were 2 years ago of why we're trying to pass him on. This isn't a jolly old boys club anymore but if the club are happy to go backwards then so be it but with so much at stake this season what an opportunity missed.It looks likely that Cardiff will go down which may mean we're still the only PL club within 100 miles or so of the next PL club ,where are those fans of the PL going to go ,those who watched Cardiff this year ? are unlikely to stay with cardiff if they drop down ( and if Tan pulls the plug they could go into free fall) so theres a lot of potential to attract a larger support from those who want to continue watching PL football . This season is not over but it could be for us if we continue in this fashion a lot sooner than we think.
Well I thought Dai said a few months back that Roberto's number 2 was nailed on to take the job and was guaranteeing it? Monk won't be in charge next season.
Never understood the armchair criticism... How is an armchair fan less knowledgeable, when they are able to view replays copiously, gain at least some simple tactical insight from Sky's ginormous ipad ****, and can have finished the post-match analysis and interviews with players and managers, by the time you've finished waving your flag long enough to hop on the bus home? I had a season ticket at St James' for 3 years, and I wouldn't dare make such an arrogant outburst against those who don't attend games. The fat guy sitting next to you, pissed out of his head, isn't providing you with more insight than Jamie Redknapp... Because you sing a few songs, you aren't a better fan. It's just some sort of middle-class baton to beat poorer, or indeed more fiscally responsible people, with. What being there in person does allow, when sitting close enough to the action anyway, is more intimate interaction with the events at the time, which compliment debates on football forums quite well. Forums need both points of view to survive. You're not even actually doing much good for the team by handing them £1000 for a ST... Financially, it would be better for a lot of clubs to play in empty stadia.
TJPF fair points of view there, but wasted on Dai!................... I watched Monks post match interview on the BBC site last night, and he is of the same mind as most of us on here regarding our performance and shift yesterday, and you could see he was gutted that our players turned in another half hearted performance against what was clearly a woeful Hull. Many of our players are becoming big time Charlie's and need shipping out!.........
I have to agree , I go to games home & a few away but my opinion is based on what happens in an instant so before posting I review and watch when ever possible .The advantage of watching live is you can watch the game evolve in it's entirety and perhaps the smaller detail of player movement i.e. alternating wing play . A supporter can support a club in many ways ,attending games is just one way .
I think in most seasons we would get relegated with this many points. But we're lucky that the bottom three are so bad at the moment. They could still catch us, but they have some tough matches and a much worse goal difference. We need to improve. Is that Monk's fault or the fact that we don't have players who are good enough? I don't know.
Considering Monk was supposed to do what ML seemingly couldn't ie motivate the players to put a shift in, we played no better on Saturday than we did against West Ham. So it would seem that Monk has brought very little to the table. Dont get me wrong there have been a couple of good performances in there too, but if we still seem unable to string 2 good performances together. What was it some were bleating on about; the fact that under ML no back to back wins for however long. Well to me not much has changed, Monk has had ample opportunity to put that right but unfortunately has not delivered. After the Norwich game I thought great, onwards and upwards but it ended up the same ol' same ol'. If one thing has become apparently clear it is that the players we have seem to make the decision of when they want to turn up irrespective of who is in charge. To that end I want a manager who can dish out a bollocking and commands respect. Who I hear you ask f**k knows that is for the Board to find but one thing is for sure if Monk cant get his mates to turn in a performance then that says a lot about his relationship with them (too close and pally maybe I dont know). Bottom line is we cant afford to start next season like this thats for sure. I am confident we will stay up even with 33 points but that will not be down to Monks tactical nous or motivation it will be down to the poor performance by the teams below us. Oh and for the record I am both an armchair fan (away) and a ST holder. However I will have to concede to being a full time armchair fan next season as I no longer can afford to supplement the wages of employees that either cant wont or are not qualified to do their jobs!!
Most sensible posters here seem to be singing from the same hymnsheet. Project Monk is dead in the water whether it's his fault, the players' fault or a combination of the two. He's the main man and must take the rap. It's a fair point that other teams are unlikely to catch us and we are very lucky indeed that there are some very poor teams around us this year. Hard to believe, but 34 - 36 points may well be enough, then our problems really begin because we are going to have to fend off big money bids for Bony and we don't have the manager to attract the most talented players here for next season imo.
