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If HBA played for Everton....

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  1. Albert's Chip Shop

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    ... Martinez would have him grafting...... Fit...... And starting most games.

    Just thought I'd share....

    #pardewed
     
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  2. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Nah he'd just get a player who would and was better
     
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  3. Lord Jonjomort

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    Everton play 4-2-3-1. As do Man City. More or less, every week. As do Chelsea. When either side struggles, they tend to push up a bit but are you telling me they're awesome when they're bringing on Naismith?! They each have an identity.

    We play the most dated, pointless and guileless 4-4-2 I've ever seen. We play with strikers who like wingers, but our wide men aren't wingers. We have no creativity - except on our bench. We have hungry young players in this dead season....on the bench and watching from home. We have no comeback plan, apart from "Bring Ben Arfa on and keep everything crossed". We have no set piece plan apart from "aim for Williamson". It's sh1t beyond sh1t. The attacking was so slow, it always slowed down, we have a talented young CB at RB destroying his confidence, we have Cisse - with one goal - retaining his place whilst the man responsible for getting him his goal is on the bench. Dummett looks like Paul Dalglish, he simply has to be related to someone on the management team, there's no other reason he should be there. It's awful, really quite sickening and I am no longer going to Southampton because I cannot stomach the management team anymore. I may check my phone for the scores, but otherwise the only NUFC news I'll greet with any joy is the removal of Alan Pardew.
     
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  4. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    We had an identity though didn't we, a very clear one. We then sold the key cog and didn't replace him. This is fine if you are Everton, Man C, Chelsea etc because you already have a back up option with similar qualities. Look at Arsenal, had no back up for Ramsey who was key to their identity. Wheels come off title challenge. Identity comes from the make up of your squad as much as formations/tactics.
     
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  5. 2010 tops dog

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    Hail the Roland I agree
     
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  6. Q

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    Pardew has ridden the good fortune of Carr for far too long.
    If he wasn't a cheap option, he would be away.
     
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  7. Lord Jonjomort

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    Arsenal are 4th, played CL football and are in the FA Cup Semi Final. Their squad cannot win the title ahead of Chelsea or Man City. I'd say they're doing pretty well. Considering the injuries they've picked up - Ramsay, Wilshere, Walcott - they're arguably doing better than pretty well.

    We, by contrast, get tanked off Spurs, Everton, Sunderland at home and lost to Cardiff in the 3rd Round, having played not one second of European football all season. I understand that the transfer move was bad, but what explains the rest???? I have never in my life seen a Newcastle team play so badly so consistently as this lot do under Pardew. Two seasons of utter rubbish peppered with the odd result to make us smile. But all too often there's a Brighton, a Reading, a Liverpool, a Sunderland result to make you literally feel sick to the stomach.
     
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  8. Lord Jonjomort

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    See, I have been suggesting that the owner may change tact this Summer, but this theory is completely ruined by the fact he stands by Pardew. One of Newcastle's worst five managers ever.
     
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  9. Gordonthetoony

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    Tactically we were shocking tonight getting hit on the break time after time. We are far too slow at closing people down and some of our passing is woeful. One thing I will say on a positive note is Cisse looked as if he was trying hard.
     
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  10. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    They were in title winning form until Ramsey got injured. They are a top 4 squad. Its all relative. We are 8th in the league and deservedly so. That is as good as we are. You're concentrating way too much on the negative. I've twice seen Arsenal 4-0 down inside 20 mins this season. They are way better resourced than us. The tankings they took off Liverpool, Chelsea and Citeh is similar to us taking them off Spurs and Everton. Better sides will do that. Fair enough Sunderland games are unacceptable and just rank. Then again Arsenal got tanked off Villa at home.

    Its not nice getting completely outclassed but it happens to all sides. Arsenal mullered Everton in the cup 4-1.
     
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  11. Eddie's British Plodders

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    A mini run with Cabaye looking effective in the number 10 role? It was starting to look promising but surely too short lived to be described as a 'very clear' identity. We'd owned Cabaye for 2.5 seasons, he'd looked very good as a number 10 towards the end of his first season with us but was not used there again for a run of games until just before he ended up leaving.

    Pardew doesn't have the best options in the world in terms of players and we have certainly been negatively affected by selling Cabaye, but I don't think he makes the very best of what we do have. I don't think Pardew has given us a clear and effective system even before selling Cabaye but this could in part be mitigated if his plans are being knocked off-kilter all the time by non-investment in the transfer windows. I'd like to think that given more support in the transfer windows Pardew could implement the system he almost nailed with Cabaye in the number 10 and get us playing fancier and more effective football.
     
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  12. Warmir Pouchov

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    Seems harsh to me. We had two very clear systems prior to his departure. One where he was deployed as a number 10 in front of Tiote/Anita, the other alongside Tiote with Shola in a 4411. This flexibility was the best way for us to deal with a small squad and injuries. If you'd had a number 10 type reserve, not had the situ with Cabaye at the start of season, had some forward options, then we could have maybe been even clearer. Lets face it though our whole play quite rightly went through Cabaye. It worked, he craves that responsibility. Man U found it when they lost Ronaldo, Spurs have with Bale, you can't set up to play through one man and then think you can just quickly readjust when you remove them. You develop patterns of play based on how that key man likes to function.
     
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  13. Agent Bruce

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    That doesn't make me feel any better somehow.
     
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  14. Clockwork

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    Roland me man.

    I normally agree with your posts and think you are one of the top posters but you are either younger than I thought, speaking too soon after the defeat or talking utter gash.

    Worst performances by a NUFC team **** off man. The team with Shinton in, George Riley and loads more. The last relegated team ffs gutless overpayed not interested and relegated.

    In the 5 worst managers. **** off. Jack Charlton, Richard dinnes, Gordon Lee, Bill Mcgarry, Shearer? Allardyce, Roeder and loads more
     
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  15. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

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    I agree there have been far worse managers - Sourpuss being one and god Jackie Charlton was ****e.
    Again there have been far worse performances (in fact too many to mention)

    However, in the here and now, Pardew and his tactics are not suited to the players we have. This means that either the players can adapt (we can see they cannot), the payers have to be replaced or the manager has to be replaced. Cheapest option - au revior Pardew!
     
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  16. Clockwork

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    Got no problem with that.

    We need to change something to kick on from our mid league platform it is going to be hard and costly and near on impossible with the money the other teams have.
     
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  17. trentderby

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    Sorry guys but i cant agree. right we have lost another game to a team above us in the league, perhaps we have found our level? 8th, we are more likely to win against any of the teams below us and more likely to lose against any above us, and sorry but all this pardew is the worst newcastle manager in years after losing another game i just dont think is true, he has one hand tied behind his back at all times in this club. And ill put my house on it if we beat southampton 3 - 0 nobody will be looking for his head. lets just put this season down to january, i know there were some pants games in that time but we got rid of our best player and didnt replace.

    season over.

    8th, not bad, could have been better with some investment in the squad.
     
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  18. Clockwork

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    good one
     
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  19. lady-eleanor

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    I don't think HBA is ever going to reach his potential no matter who he plays for.
     
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  20. Agent Bruce

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    Probably right there.

    The fact of the matter is that he just isn't a team man.
     
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