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Anyone still have faith in McDermott?

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McDermott in or out?

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  1. esteponawhite

    esteponawhite Well-Known Member

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    Go for it elmo,find some positives.
     
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  2. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    I have no faith in him but who do we get next, who will come after watching the Cellino soap opera?
     
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  3. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    I don't think i've known a manager to walk for 'the good of the club'
     
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  4. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Put him on gardening leave and let Gibbs and Redfearn get on with it, worked against Hudderfield
     
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  5. FORZA LEEDS

    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Holloway walked from Palace this season for the good of the club because he knew he wasn't up to the job.

    It's a pity McDermott doesn't do the same
     
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  6. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    I think Redfearn would be a good manager if he 'studied' under a decent manager
     
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  7. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    good point.
     
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  8. lr22

    lr22 Well-Known Member

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    That is a tricky one to answer. Do I think he is a bad manager? No. Do I think he will have success as a manager after Leeds? Yes. Do I think he will succeed at Leeds? Probably not.
     
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  9. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    McDermott WILL remain for now. We can't afford to fire him, and we can't possibly attract a decent manager to replace him. So it doesn't matter what you want, what you've got is what you'll keep whilst GFH are in place.

    Now someone tell me this. Is it BMs fault that many of our players are completely incapable of doing the basics. Forget tactics for now - think marking, tackling, heading, passing. Can he be blamed for players demonstrating tecnique that wouldn't get them into a primary school team? Whose fault? Players. Not BM. No doubt about it.

    Tactics. Which one of you ACTUALLY KNOWS what goes on the tactics board? Can it really just say 'HOOF IT'? I'm quite sure that it's not BM that's demanding the hoofball. Doesn't matter what formation he employs, they still hoof it. So whose fault there then? Again, players, not BM.

    So what can BM do with this shower? Drop them? Tried that - even the players he's brought in. Result? More of the same. Whose fault? Players again, not BM.

    So have we really had a succession of managers that have found a rich seam of mediocre halfwits to play for Leeds? It's tempting to say yes, mainly cos we're hurting & it's easy to think this. But it surely can't be true. We bring in some dross, true. But even tried & tested players are coming in & sinking in whatever quicksand we have poisoning our players. It's not an occasional thing. It's bordering on 100% consistency. Whose fault? Not BM. Not previous managers. Not the players. But I don't have the answer this time.

    So, question for you. Think about it. Will sacking BM improve things? Did sacking Warnock improve things? Did sacking Grayson improve things? We all know the answer is no. So we sack BM - who is going to want to come here to be next on the failure list? Easy answer - only someone crap, or someone who'll use us as a stepping stone. We've reached the stage that Leeds are a nobody club. It sucks. It hurts. But it's true.

    Another question - could Marino, Guardiola, Anchelotti, or anyone you care to choose really turn us around with the background of no money & impending disaster always round the corner? Answers on a postcard.

    I think we're all looking in the wrong place by blaming BM. Nothing wil change until we have genuine financial stability. End of.
     
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  10. 666 & Elmo

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    Positives 47 points, midtable, some previous games show these players can play when they put their minds to it, something else is causing it, season will be over soon hopefully without administration, we may find new buyers, we played with a lot of young lads who will get better as they get more experience, good youth setup, good young players out plying their trade in the lower leagues.....

    YEP it's **** at the moment and could get worse if administration is round the corner but just being bleak and making everyone depressed seems to be a stock in trade for some. If **** happens, we'll deal with it like we always do - two fingers up to the lufc haters and stick it up 'em
     
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  11. milkyboy

    milkyboy Well-Known Member

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    And holloway had the decency to take his self confessed lack of ability to a club befitting of his talents. Scum could be looking for a new manager soon brian?

    In all seriousness, none of you would leave in his position, and neither would I. You'd try your best and wait for the payoff. No one forced the club to sign his contract.
     
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  12. OLOF

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    Maybe you're right LIE <ok> but if anyone of them at our club had any decency they wouldn't take their wages this month, or season for that matter
     
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  13. ristac

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    Yes WJ it is the managers fault they can't do the basics.

    He signed half of them
     
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  14. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Get real. They could before they joined us. It's when they play for Leeds they lose any skill they once had. And 9 is not half. Even Byram's not cutting it now!
     
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  15. Mr Wolves-White

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    Who to blame for that? Can't blame Peltier or Smith.
     
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  16. ristac

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    It's over half a team, I haven't included them all and if they lose a skill when joining of course it's the managers fault he is responsible for training and getting a team together who can at least do the basics, the manager picks them
     
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  17. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    OK Ristac, you've got all the answers, let's hear them. How are we going to sort out this financial mess? Who are we going to appoint as our next manager that has a magic wand?

    Dead easy to criticise. We get the message. How about being constructive, or is it a hobby to BM-bash? Spell out the future to us, so we can rip you to bits for being positive. Anyone can be destructively negative like you. It's dead easy.
     
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  18. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    I know it's not going to happen but I'd like to see the club in the hands of Shareholders. This one person or business/consortium running a club for their own benefits hasn't helped anybody.

    As for which manager has got the answers. At this point in time I can't see anybody taking the job. Tonight I've started to wish we didn't sack Grayson
     
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  19. ristac

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    I said a couple of weeks back and repeated this week plan B should be to consider what if Cellino does not get given the ok. Common sense would be to send every loan player back to save money. Second any player out of contract this summer should be told not to report back to training. What negative influence do they have? It won't cost us extra, paid to attend training and not play or paid to sit at home, I wouldn't have them near the ground.

    I would relieve McD tell him not to report back, pay him to sit at home as well and put Redfearn in charge with the instructions to try a few of the youngsters alongside players who will still be under contract?

    McD has lost respect, he has lost the dressing room, he is chopping and changing failing to see Hunt has lost it, Kebe has lost it, he is damaging us with these thrashings he needs to be relieved, we can't afford to sack him so tell him to sit at home and collect his monthly wage until something can be figured out?

    A hobby to BM bash? Lost for words mate if you feel he deserves to remain in charge? As for our future... As things stand under GFH and McD relegation favourites for 2015
     
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  20. Whitejock

    Whitejock Well-Known Member

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    Agree re. 'dead' players. They're certainly dead to me.

    I cannot agree about Redfearn. You ever had a look at his record? Completely out of his depth in every way.

    I also cannot agree about the youngsters. One of my hobbies is reading football (auto)biographies. One very common thread, whatever the team, whatever the era, is that there is a consensus re. young players. You introduce them sparingly, when the team is doing well. YOU NEVER play them in a team in trouble, or lacking in confidence. You will break them, perhaps for ever. Think Byram. Burnt out, then introduced to this season's pile of crap. Think Mowatt. Started promisingly. The crap got to him. He's a scared wee boy who's got worse & worse as the season's progressed.

    So much as I'd love to play the kids, the time is not right atm. And I'm still smarting at their performance against Harrogate earlier this season.
     
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