Simples....pull out of the EU now,let them fight among themselves,and let them keep all the immigrants!!We are a country that does not any more east-Europeans who are only coming for our benefit system!
Jeez. And so says the voice of reason. It's that simple isn't it. How many Eastern Europeans are on the benefit system, do you know? Probably not even 1%. Non-nationals make up around 6% of claimants in Britain as of end 2012, but because the system is so poorly managed the govnt havent historicslly tracked how many non-nationals become british citizens and stay as claimants: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-publishes-overseas-benefit-claimant-research. Ther are a lot of very valid claimants in the UK, but if Britain wasn't full of work-shy, ignorant arseholes with a shocking sense of entitlement willing to put in a hard days graft rather than skim of the system, there wouldn't be such a need for lower cost workers prepared to do the jobs the 'locals' won't in the first place. This is nothing new. Did you know workers in CEE put in more hours on avg than anywhere else in Europe? All the ones i know and work with are earnest folk who want to learn and better themselves. For sure there are some scheming ****ers, but that's the world over. Tighten up the benefits sytem, absolutely. Tighten up the immigration system, absolutely. Prevent tax evasion from wealthy Brits and domiciled residents, absolutely. The last point would generate billions and do more good financially than the former two....but what would the govnt do with the money? Completely batten down the hatches? Britain would be fcked...whose gonna do the menial jobs? What about all the foreign capital which comes into the country? If that falls away, bond rates would rise putting a nasty burden on Britains debt obligations and slowing any economic recovery. What about all the foreign owned companies in operation across the UK. Will they pull out and relocate to mainland Europe? What about exports, will sterling appreciate killing off any chance of a revival in manufacturing or will it depreciate fcking up the majority of voting pensioners pots, esp those with homes on the continent. And all for a measly sub1% reduction in benefit claimants from Eastern Europe. It's easy to point the finger. But the solution ain't that simple. I'm sure UKIP and the Daily Fail tell it different.
Statistics, anecdotes....who knows eh? I'm reading a book called Hash by respected author Wensley Clarkson in which he claims more than one in four of all crimes in the UK are committed by foreigners (but mainly eastern Europeans, notably Poles, Romanians and Lithuanians). They make up nine out of ten drug suspects and are responsible for more than one in three sex offences. But the Albanians are the worst according to him. "Right ****ing nutters" someone called them. Statistics, anecdotes et?
No, the taking Ukraine out of Russia's sphere of influence and into NATOs has been part of a long term strategy put into place when the Soviet Union broke up. It's been happening with Poland et al, the encroachment has gone too far and Russia will react. A big plus was supposed to be Russia losing their Black Sea port at Sevastopol, Russia has now taken that out of the wests hand which is where a lot of the teeth gnashing and hand wringing is coming from. I see very little is made of that leaked phone call between the Estonian foreign minister and Lady Ashton where it was stated that the same "agent provocateurs" were shooting both the police and protesters. Similar was reported to be happening in Syria and Libya at the start of their "popular uprisings". Intetesting
Illegal referendum ain't democracy a bitch when it works against you. No mention of the illegal government in Kiev currently eh? Check the Ukrainian constitution, the impeachment was unconstitutional. Yet this same illegal interim is rushing to make draconian deals with EU/IMF, one result already announced is that pensions will be cut by 50%. Grow themselves economically pull the other one. Russia came up with a financial package that was much more lucrative than the EU offer and did t involve pillaging the normal person, Yanukovic was well within his rights to accept this. So the west uses a bunch of neo-Nazis (groups descending from ones that fought for Hitler) to instigate an overthrow.
spot on - we are all democratic but some are more democratic than others - In Durham I remember when we had district councils and we were being forced to go to one unitary council. The district councils organised a ballot of their households and I think it was about 87% indicated they did not want to go to a unitary council. Guess what the ballot was declared illegal and we now have a unitary council. Democracy my arse
Aye, I can remember Ireland rejecting the Lisbon treaty. That should have been the end of it. Of course not, go back and do it again properly this time. Second time round, approved by a landslide. How did that happen? Democracy my ass.
No mention of the illegal government in Kiev currently eh? Check the Ukrainian constitution, the impeachment was unconstitutional. You're absolutely right, it was illegal. I didn't say it wasn't, nor did I omit this point on purpose. But this Ukrainian constitution you are going on about was manipulated by Yanukovych when he won the election and came to power in 2010, empowering him as 'super-president' and his crony family government. He has since embezzled billions out of the country, creating an even greater dependence on Russia and leaving it structurally fcked. Russia came up with a financial package that was much more lucrative than the EU offer and did t involve pillaging the normal person, Yanukovic was well within his rights to accept this. He was within his rights to accept it, as per the constitution he shaped, but I don’t agree for one moment this would be better for the ‘normal person’. Or do you think accepting the Russian deal of cheap gas and buying Ukrainian bonds was leading to greater economic growth, diversity and opportunity for the man on the street...or their families? Funny, coz I thought it was simply creating greater dependence on Russia and putting more cash in Yanukovych's pocket. Or am I missing something here in terms of the specifics of this deal? Just to be clear, I wasn't condemning the Russian move on Crimea - I think it was inevitable, all things considered, and gladly without real brute force. I also don't condone for one moment the US behaviour or their ulterior motive(s). It was clear they were in on the ground as soon as there was a sniff of revolt to destabilise the position and help push through the shady coalition government in place. There are some very dodgy characters in the cabinet and it is seriously worrying. In terms of establishing a stable regime with the country's interests at heart the new coalition clearly won't deliver. But the country needs to reform, structurally and economically, and that is a bitter pill to swallow. It has worked for some other EE nations who have taken their medicine and recovered. Whether it's a positive step-change for Ukraine long-term, who knows. But if I had to stick or twist last November, I would have twisted.
Very true. I wonder if the first vote had been yes they would have asked the Irish people to vote again??????????? Most ****ing corrupt organisation in the history lof modern Europe.
Don't **** with the Russians, it's one step to far. ****s have already taken over most of the worlds holiday destinations.
interesting snippet from an article : A âFinlandizationâ of Ukraine. Rather than a takeover or a mere security gesture, it is entirely possible that Mr. Putin is seeking to do with Ukraine what he has attempted all along: to ensure that it remains tied to Russia economically and strategically, and does not become politically or, especially, militarily tied to Europe. Rather than seeking to divide Ukraine and annex the more Russian part of its territory, in this scenario Mr. Putin is seeking to ensure that Ukraineâs loyalties will remain neutral, out of fear or out of persuasion, and the countryâs perpetual divide between east and west will not tilt too far toward Europe. During the Cold War this tactic became known as âFinlandization,â as Finland, facing similar threats and opportunities from Moscow, stayed neutral in the global conflict. Recently some Western officials have suggested that this is the best possible outcome: Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former U.S. Secretary of State, argued last week for âthe Finnish model as the ideal example for Ukraine, and the EU, and Russia.â It would not be a satisfying outcome for Ukraineâs post-Yanukovych government, but it may end up being the only feasible outcome that does not involve splitting up Ukraine or provoking a war. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/just-what-is-putin-up-to-in-crimea/article17190665/
